Comments Thread For: GGG: Biggest Opponent is My Age & Determination To Keep Boxing

[MurkaMan]

Name all these top level young fighters Floyd faced who were “15 pounds heavier”. I know you’re referring to canelo, but you act like he fought ten others lol.

Sure, you can say Leonard would have lost to similar level opponents at age 37, but I highly doubt Floyd would have gone undefeated if he faced the level of opposition Leonard did in his prime...it goes both ways. I will agree that the “goat” argument is ******...but you’re the one who said it.

Imma need a response to this as well;

You said some guys have poor habits, well guess who didnt? FLOYD didnt. He dedicated himself, had GREAT habits. SRL did dope, got washed up, and didnt take it as serious as Floyd did.

Anytime theirs an opportunity to give props to Floyd, you make excuses and hold him to a separate standard. I treat them all the same and no matter how you cut it, it was ABNORMAL how dominant Floyd was throughout his career and how he aged backwards and embarrassed men HE SHOULDNT'VE BEEN ABLE TO EVEN BEAT.

[MurkaMan]

Name all these top level young fighters Floyd faced who were “15 pounds heavier”. I know you’re referring to canelo, but you act like he fought ten others lol.

Sure, you can say Leonard would have lost to similar level opponents at age 37, but I highly doubt Floyd would have gone undefeated if he faced the level of opposition Leonard did in his prime...it goes both ways. I will agree that the “goat” argument is ******...but you’re the one who said it.

I was bothered you have yet to respond to this;

You say "Floyd fought guys past their primes" How can you say that without heeding to the fact of WHAT HE DID WHEN HE WAS PAST HIS PRIME? But by taking heed to that, we confront the fact that SRL wasnt as great as Floyd. So then you say "We can only judge them by what they did in their prime"?

[MurkaMan]

Name all these top level young fighters Floyd faced who were “15 pounds heavier”. I know you’re referring to canelo, but you act like he fought ten others lol.

Sure, you can say Leonard would have lost to similar level opponents at age 37, but I highly doubt Floyd would have gone undefeated if he faced the level of opposition Leonard did in his prime...it goes both ways. I will agree that the “goat” argument is ******...but you’re the one who said it.

More fire that I really wanted some insight from you on;

You said Floyd faced no prime ATG's, then I say "SRR didnt", but then its no response to that??

Do you eliminate SRL and SRR from the ATG discussion because of the holes in their legacies? I mean SRR never faced one single elite opponent, unless you consider guys like Jake Lomatta "elite" Lol

And then SRL only faced one HOF in their prime. Not to mention guys like Floyd who have tougher resumes than both of these men combined, fought outside his weight class for a great bulk of his career, and completely humiliated guys that were really too big and young for him!!

Haha!!

[Real King Kong]

Ortiz who was the #2 welterweight in the division, after steamrolling Berto. He was 164lbs and 24yrs old and Floyd was 34yrs old 150lbs coming off a 16 month lay off. Your pretending like all of this never happened.

Ghost who was the #3 wellterweight behind Floyd and Pac, who beat down Selkic Aidyn and Berto, he was 160lbs 30yrs old while Floyd was 36yrs old and 148lbs. The Chino fights, which Floyd didnt look good in. Floyd was 148lbs and 37yrs old, while Chino was 165lbs and 30yrs old.

Canelo was just the fight where Floyd just really performed on a lever higher than we were used to. It as an ATG performance.

Its not that SRL would have "lost" its that he would've lost his life! Its one thing if Floyd simply WON, but its the fact that he humiliates the opposition. Its beyond "winning".

Yes, Floyd would 100% go undefeated facing SRL's opponents. We based this off the fact that Floyd faced tougher competition and has more skills and abilities than SRL. But making Floyd a natural welterweight, making him taller, longer arms, Floyd would dominate and embarrass SRL's opponents.

Imagine a taller and longer Floyd facing a washed Hagler like SRL did. Floyd embarrasses guys like that every damn day.

The GOAT argument is ****** because Floyd completely shytted on everyone else. Your not used to seeing a fighter this much better and accomplished than anyone in history.

Its not an argument at all. Your one of these guys who nitpick Floyd and everything he accomplished, and its hard to do that with me because Im going to go and treat other fighters the same way, and nitpick their legacies as well.

So you walk away from this conversation holding them all to the same standard, and you realize that their is no one above Floyd Mayweather!

You didnt admit it yet. You just trolled and ignored my points, which let me know that you are starting to see!

Since you ignore allot of my fire, I decided to reply in isolated posts.

Respond to this;

SRL was IN HIS PRIME, when he faced the absolute best in his weight class. A blown up Duran..

"It doesnt matter that Duran was blown up and too small for SRL...It only matters when JMM is blown up and too small for Floyd"

A prime Hearns, and an aging Hagler at 160..."It doesnt matter that SRL waited for Hagler to age...It only matters that Floyd faced a shopworn Pac."

So Hearns is the only HOF that SRL faced at his best? Lol Aging Hagler and blown up Duran.

Imma need a response to this as well;

You said some guys have poor habits, well guess who didnt? FLOYD didnt. He dedicated himself, had GREAT habits. SRL did dope, got washed up, and didnt take it as serious as Floyd did.

Anytime theirs an opportunity to give props to Floyd, you make excuses and hold him to a separate standard. I treat them all the same and no matter how you cut it, it was ABNORMAL how dominant Floyd was throughout his career and how he aged backwards and embarrassed men HE SHOULDNT'VE BEEN ABLE TO EVEN BEAT.

I was bothered you have yet to respond to this;

You say "Floyd fought guys past their primes" How can you say that without heeding to the fact of WHAT HE DID WHEN HE WAS PAST HIS PRIME? But by taking heed to that, we confront the fact that SRL wasnt as great as Floyd. So then you say "We can only judge them by what they did in their prime"?

More fire that I really wanted some insight from you on;

You said Floyd faced no prime ATG's, then I say "SRR didnt", but then its no response to that??

Do you eliminate SRL and SRR from the ATG discussion because of the holes in their legacies? I mean SRR never faced one single elite opponent, unless you consider guys like Jake Lomatta "elite" Lol

And then SRL only faced one HOF in their prime. Not to mention guys like Floyd who have tougher resumes than both of these men combined, fought outside his weight class for a great bulk of his career, and completely humiliated guys that were really too big and young for him!!

Haha!!

Lol...you done lost your mind, or you’re a troll.

Ortiz...berto...Guerrero...lol, cmon man. If you somehow think beating that caliber of fighters somehow proves Floyd would “100% go undefeated vs Leonard’s resume” then you simply dksab, end of story. I get it, you like Floyd...but give it a rest fanboy.

[MurkaMan]

Lol...you done lost your mind, or you’re a troll.

Ortiz...berto...Guerrero...lol, cmon man. If you somehow think beating that caliber of fighters somehow proves Floyd would “100% go undefeated vs Leonard’s resume” then you simply dksab, end of story. I get it, you like Floyd...but give it a rest fanboy.

Fool you done lost your damn mind Lol. Your doing this mess on purpose. I specifically isolated each point, which you could've responded to, but NEVER did. You MADE me isolate each point, and you STILL couldnt respond?

Has Ray Robinson faced one opponent as good as Ortiz? Nope Lol

Yes, Floyd would go undefeated vs SRL's opposition, because if SRL faced the exact same type of fighters, at the circumstantial disadvantages Floyd did, SRL would lose his life. Yet Floyd, despite the circumstances embarrassed them.

And no, I dont see a 34yr old SRL having the courage to face anyone 24yrs old and 15lbs bigger than him. Floyd got more nuts than SRL, but when he faces opponent this tough, we acted like they are all easy fights, because he is dominating and we took it for granted.

Im not a Mayweather fan, Im a boxing fan. I love SRL, Ali, SRR, even tho SRL only faced One HOF in his prime, and SRR never faced any ATG's AT ALL, I really respect what they gave to the sport.

I know how hard they worked, this is why I give credit to Floyd for being lightyears ahead of the pack. If you love boxing and respect the ethic of the throwback fighters, you really dont have any choice but to give Floyd credit for being the greatest of all time.

Cuz no matter what, the past fighters never even performed half as good as Floyd. I know what they gave to the sport. So for me, its not about Mayweather its about my love for the sport. I just saw Floyd for the first time, then it blew my mind.

Just way different than anything else history has ever seen!

[Real King Kong]

Fool you done lost your damn mind Lol. Your doing this mess on purpose. I specifically isolated each point, which you could've responded to, but NEVER did. You MADE me isolate each point, and you STILL couldnt respond?

Has Ray Robinson faced one opponent as good as Ortiz? Nope Lol

Yes, Floyd would go undefeated vs SRL's opposition, because if SRL faced the exact same type of fighters, at the circumstantial disadvantages Floyd did, SRL would lose his life. Yet Floyd, despite the circumstances embarrassed them.

And no, I dont see a 34yr old SRL having the courage to face anyone 24yrs old and 15lbs bigger than him. Floyd got more nuts than SRL, but when he faces opponent this tough, we acted like they are all easy fights, because he is dominating and we took it for granted.

Im not a Mayweather fan, Im a boxing fan. I love SRL, Ali, SRR, even tho SRL only faced One HOF in his prime, and SRR never faced any ATG's AT ALL, I really respect what they gave to the sport.

I know how hard they worked, this is why I give credit to Floyd for being lightyears ahead of the pack. If you love boxing and respect the ethic of the throwback fighters, you really dont have any choice but to give Floyd credit for being the greatest of all time.

Cuz no matter what, the past fighters never even performed half as good as Floyd. I know what they gave to the sport. So for me, its not about Mayweather its about my love for the sport. I just saw Floyd for the first time, then it blew my mind.

Just way different than anything else history has ever seen!

Leonard faced at least 3 prime hof opponents.

Floyd looked great against some good opponents, not so good against others of lesser quality like Castillo, Augustus and maidana. To say he’d beat srl entire resume cuz of “Ortiz and Guerrero doe”, is plainly ridiculous. I mean Ortiz was beaten much worse by maidana before Floyd fought him and was ko’d in impressive fashion vs the other guys who beat him...not sure why you wanna bring up Floyd’s sucker punch win over him like it’s some earth shattering feat that Leonard couldn’t possibly replicate.

[MurkaMan]

Leonard faced at least 3 prime hof opponents.

Floyd looked great against some good opponents, not so good against others of lesser quality like Castillo, Augustus and maidana. To say he’d beat srl entire resume cuz of “Ortiz and Guerrero doe”, is plainly ridiculous. I mean Ortiz was beaten much worse by maidana before Floyd fought him and was ko’d in impressive fashion vs the other guys who beat him...not sure why you wanna bring up Floyd’s sucker punch win over him like it’s some earth shattering feat that Leonard couldn’t possibly replicate.

No. Duran was a blown up light weight. Hagler was washed. Hearns is the only one. I dont think much of Benitez.

You bring up Castillo knowing that Floyd had a torn rotator cuff. Yet you still bring it up anyways. Did you think I wouldnt point that out? Had an instant rematch and dominated him. Floyd only looked bad when he was washed, after the Canelo fight.

See when SRL got old, he got sloppy. When Floyd got old, he got better, with less KO's. When he got washed, he ran, hugged, and clinched. Thats what separates him from the rest. He still wins.

I didnt quite say he beats SRL because he beat Ghost and Ortiz. I pointed out the circumstantial disadvantages; Him being old and undersized, while they were young and too big for him. Had he have won, it would've still been impressive. But he dominated.

I feel Floyd running, hugging, doing the bare minimum, no one in history can beat him. Your only shot, is him coming to the center of the ring like he did when he was at his best. But if you dont win, you will get embarrassed.

Against Floyd, either he simply wins, or he dominates you, its no other option.

Ortiz and Chino went back and forth and that was way before he went up to welterweight and became the #2 fighter in the division.

I never said SRL couldnt beat Ortiz. I said what you already agreed on; SRL would get his azzwhipped if he was 34yrs old facing a man who was 24yrs old and 15lbs bigger.

But then again, you know exactly what I said.

I noted, that I dont think SRL has as much nuts as Floyd. I cant see him being that age, facing opponents of similar circumstantial disadvantages. Ali is the only one with more courage than Floyd.

[MurkaMan]

Leonard faced at least 3 prime hof opponents.

Floyd looked great against some good opponents, not so good against others of lesser quality like Castillo, Augustus and maidana. To say he’d beat srl entire resume cuz of “Ortiz and Guerrero doe”, is plainly ridiculous. I mean Ortiz was beaten much worse by maidana before Floyd fought him and was ko’d in impressive fashion vs the other guys who beat him...not sure why you wanna bring up Floyd’s sucker punch win over him like it’s some earth shattering feat that Leonard couldn’t possibly replicate.

Has Ray Robinson faced one opponent as good as Ortiz? Nope Lol

[MurkaMan]

Leonard faced at least 3 prime hof opponents.

Floyd looked great against some good opponents, not so good against others of lesser quality like Castillo, Augustus and maidana. To say he’d beat srl entire resume cuz of “Ortiz and Guerrero doe”, is plainly ridiculous. I mean Ortiz was beaten much worse by maidana before Floyd fought him and was ko’d in impressive fashion vs the other guys who beat him...not sure why you wanna bring up Floyd’s sucker punch win over him like it’s some earth shattering feat that Leonard couldn’t possibly replicate.

Look at all these great fighters Canelo is beating. Mayweather walked him down without getting grazed by a single punch! This man was freaking 37yrs old and 15lbs lighter. Canelo was freaking 23!

Amazing, isnt it?

WOW!

[TonyGe]

Has Ray Robinson faced one opponent as good as Ortiz? Nope Lol

Ortiz is a good fighter but not great. I don't know why you bring his name up. You are undermining your own argument.