Comments Thread For: GGG: Biggest Opponent is My Age & Determination To Keep Boxing

[MurkaMan]

In reality he lost to Castillo and Maidana. I thought he lost to Pacquiao also. Floyd got the benefit of favorable scoring several times in his career. Leonard, Hearns and Duran would beat everyone Mayweather beat. Duran is a level above Castillo and Maidana. Everything they could do he could do better. Offense defense infighting footwork aggression variety of punches body work he was better that those two.

But when Floyd lost to Castillio he had a torn rotatory cuff. This isnt an excuse he made after the fight. This is something he complained about in the second round. Even though you know this, you use it in an argument as if you felt it would fly over my head. Not only that, their was an immediate rematch where he whitewashed Castillo.

For me, I felt that Floyd was washed when he faced Chino. He was 37yrs old and 148lbs while Marcos was 30yrs old and 165lbs. Floyd has faced fighters identical to Chino and even BETTER than Chino his entire career and he white washed him. Why be slick and act like that fight determines something?

Imagine a 37yr old SRL facing a 30yr old who is 17lbs bigger. He wouldnt run, clinch, and skate by with a UD like Floyd did. He would get his asss killed in the ring.

You speak on who would beat everyone Floyd beat, but you fail to mention that they are natural ww's. Floyd is a blown up lightweight and he BEAT no one..He HUMILIATED most.

Would a 37yr old Hearns beat a 23yr old opponent who outweighed him by 15lbs? Nope.

Again, I hold these fighters to the same standard. You wanna speak on who beat who, which means nothing. Its about the circumstantial disadvantages.

Treat all these fighters the same, dont act different when it comes to Floyd just because he was abnormally greater than everyone else.

Again, compared to Floyd, the Fab Four are subpar outdated limited fighter. This conversation is silly and ******. And Duran's softass dont even got no heart!

[MurkaMan]

No he just held down the defend button like in a Street Fighter game and then jabbed whenever he saw an opening, and then ran until the time ran out and won by decision.

That’s not fighting.
That’s playing tag and running.

Yea he did run...When he was a washed 38yr old.

Your trying to rewrite history my friend.

See when SRL got old, he lost. When he got washed, he got KO'd and battered.

When Floyd got old, he got sharper, less KO's, and went the entire fight without getting hit.

When he got washed, he ran, hugged, and potshotted.

He WALKED DOWN Canelo and didnt get touched. Your going to lie and say he ran from that man. Floyd was outstanding, and this will never ever take place in the history of the sport EVER AGAIN!

[MurkaMan]

You actually said this..
"See every fighter Floyd faces has size and reach on him. The tail of the tape has been inaccurate."

That's inaccurate not the tale of the tape. It's well known that Floyd's reach was a big part of his success. You are also claiming that everyine he faced was bigger than him. That is also inaccurate.

Nothing is "well known" because all of that was based on a nonsensical tail of the tape. Its silly to say that he has longer arms than all those guys.

And lets say his arms were longer...What is 2 inches going to do homie? If your close enough to land, then so are the opponents.

The only opponents he faced that were smaller in recent times was Pac and JMM. Your going to sit and tell me his arms were longer than Ghost, Canelo, Ortiz, and Mosley?

Gtfo!! This man is a blown up lightweight.

[MurkaMan]

If you didn’t write a book every post, I wouldn’t have to gloss over it lol.

Like I said, fighters have different longevity...can’t really fault other great fighters for not lasting into late 30s. That’s the exception, not the norm.

Leonard faced the better competition by far, that’s just a fact. You can keep telling me how Floyd white washed this guy or that guy, but he wouldn’t be white washing Duran, hearns, hagler type opponents, simple as that.

But WHY was the longjevity different? Because SRL started doing dope and stopped training. Maybe your new to boxing, but this has been going on for ages.

Even Ali...fighters would get old and lazy, and Floyd just wanted it more than everyone else in history.

No excuses.

When Floyd outdoes everyone else, their is an excuse. The fact of the matter is, he was just better. Crawford, and Loma and GGG are NOT going to outdo Floyd when they get 37, mark my words.

Again, SRL was in his prime, at his natural weight class, beating the best of the best, in their prime at his weight class.

Props to the man. But Floyd however was past his prime, out of his weight class, NOT BEATING, but EMBARRASSING men too young and too big for him.

Treat them all the same. SRL would get his asss killed trying to do what Floyd did.

In fact, EVERY FIGHTER IN HISTORY would. This man here stands alone!

[Real King Kong]

But WHY was the longjevity different? Because SRL started doing dope and stopped training. Maybe your new to boxing, but this has been going on for ages.

Even Ali...fighters would get old and lazy, and Floyd just wanted it more than everyone else in history.

No excuses.

When Floyd outdoes everyone else, their is an excuse. The fact of the matter is, he was just better. Crawford, and Loma and GGG are NOT going to outdo Floyd when they get 37, mark my words.

Again, SRL was in his prime, at his natural weight class, beating the best of the best, in their prime at his weight class.

Props to the man. But Floyd however was past his prime, out of his weight class, NOT BEATING, but EMBARRASSING men too young and too big for him.

Treat them all the same. SRL would get his asss killed trying to do what Floyd did.

In fact, EVERY FIGHTER IN HISTORY would. This man here stands alone!

The longevity thing is nice, but untimely irrelevant. Like I said, it’s the exception, not the rule. Is Hopkins greater than Floyd cuz he was beating bigger men later into his career than Floyd? Would Floyd get his ass killed trying to do what Hopkins did?

Also, Duran Leonard and hearns all fought higher above their natural weight than Floyd did. Hearns win over Virgil hill at light heavyweight is beyond anything Floyd did in terms of giving up size, and hill was undefeated and in his prime.

[Thuglife Nelo]

He WALKED DOWN Canelo and didnt get touched. Your going to lie and say he ran from that man. Floyd was outstanding

Don’t exaggerate. Floyd’s highlight performance against Canelo was Round 7 when he backed up Canelo on the ropes and did that uppercut with 20 seconds of poking. That’s not “walking” a fighter down. The reason Canelo did that was to bait him and Paulie said in that moment Canelo playing possum. That’s why after 20 seconds Canelo landed that left hook that pushed Floyd back to stop his rhythm and then also landed a straight right hand that had Floyd bouncing back. After that, Floyd decided to bounce away.

Canelo is the only boxer since Cotto, whom was able to catch Floyd by sneak Ring IQ attacks of his own. Given the age of Canelo at the time and coming in at 152 merely shows that’s Canelo was bound to be an ATG. A 154 Canelo and it would’ve been bad for Floyd. 2lbs, like Floyd did against Marquez, makes a difference.

[MurkaMan]

Don’t exaggerate. Floyd’s highlight performance against Canelo was Round 7 when he backed up Canelo on the ropes and did that uppercut with 20 seconds of poking. That’s not “walking” a fighter down. The reason Canelo did that was to bait him and Paulie said in that moment Canelo playing possum. That’s why after 20 seconds Canelo landed that left hook that pushed Floyd back to stop his rhythm and then also landed a straight right hand that had Floyd bouncing back. After that, Floyd decided to bounce away.

Canelo is the only boxer since Cotto, whom was able to catch Floyd by sneak Ring IQ attacks of his own. Given the age of Canelo at the time and coming in at 152 merely shows that’s Canelo was bound to be an ATG. A 154 Canelo and it would’ve been bad for Floyd. 2lbs, like Floyd did against Marquez, makes a difference.

It was multiple rounds like that. For me, the standout round was in round 4 when Floyd started rolling as he came forward. Then him and Canelo did some dirty shyt, the ref broke it up, then Floyd continued. He closed his stance like a robot, then went flatfooted and walked him down.

When I say Floyd "walked him down the entire fight" its a bit nitpicky to say "well sometimes he didnt" considering how much he actually did.

Of course he would walk him down for half of the round, then when Canelo charged, he would box going backwards. But to say it was one round? Absolutely not buddy.

From the start, he came forward trying to find some things. Then as the rounds went on, he would open up more as he came forward. The only difference from the earlier rounds and the later rounds, is that he although he walked him down the entire fight, he simply opened up more as the fight went on.

Canelo went backwards because everytime he did something, Floyd popped him in the mouth. Every mistake you make, you get hit. Their is nothing but openings whether your stagnant trying to wait for Floyd to make a mistake, or whether you throw punches at Floyd and get countered.

So you have to back up because no matter what, whether he leads or counters, your going to get popped.

In the 4th, Canelo caught Floyd with a jab, and Mayweather smirked, then threw that little combination followed by a single right hand. After he got his return shots off, then he bounces away for the final 4 seconds of the round.

Canelo got embarrassed by grandpa undersized Mayweather. Their was no "catsh Floyd by sneak ring iq"

If this was an ATG performance by Mayweather to where he embarrassed a guy too young and big for him, why make yourself look silly by pointing out one or two FEW moments by Canelo and use it to compare it to Cotto who REALLY did work against Floyd?

You sound ignorant buddy. Canelo aint do a damn thang against that man, and it was the sharpest we have seen Floyd in recent times.

You mention Canelo's age and weight as if he were at some disadvantage.

You fool, Floyd was 37yrs old and 150lbs. Canelo was 23yrs old and 165lbs. You sound like a damn fool Lol

[MurkaMan]

The longevity thing is nice, but untimely irrelevant. Like I said, it’s the exception, not the rule. Is Hopkins greater than Floyd cuz he was beating bigger men later into his career than Floyd? Would Floyd get his ass killed trying to do what Hopkins did?

Also, Duran Leonard and hearns all fought higher above their natural weight than Floyd did. Hearns win over Virgil hill at light heavyweight is beyond anything Floyd did in terms of giving up size, and hill was undefeated and in his prime.

Hopkins wasnt "beating bigger men" at an older age. Pascal and Cloud were little bitty short dudes who squared up. The consensus was that if Hopkins, given his age, was durable enough for their punching power, that he would be way too tall and outbox them with ease. Hopkins did good though.

But Floyd humiliated guys too young and big for him. Hopkins at an older age simply BEAT little men. So Hopkins an EVEN OLDER guy, beat young prime guys.

Floyd at a younger age than Hopkins, EMBARRASSED guys too big and too young. Allot to point out my friend, but Hopkins didnt impress me more than Floyd did.

But I still give his longevity props because of the circumstantial disadvantages.

Again, I treat all these fighters the same.

No I absolutely dont think Floyd would get killed doing what Hopkins did. I think he would actually perform better.

The Fab Four BEAT men above their natural weight class. Cool.

Floyd's ENTIRE CAREER, he HUMILIATED above his natural weight class and past his prime. Thats the difference. Its cool guys went up in weight higher than their natural weight class than Floyd did.

But Floyd actually made a CAREER above his natural weight class. And they WON, while he DOMINATED. Also, he was old as dirt.

Lets simplify things; Would anyone of the Fab Four, at the age of 37, HUMILIATE fighters half their age, and 15lbs bigger? No, they would lose their lives.

This is a simple fact. My only question to you at this point is, whats the issue?

Why not agree on a fact, and leave it their? Your trying to find ways to treat them differently.

Then telling me that they went up in weight and beat some good fighters as if that would distract me from the fact that it would be impossible for them, or anyone in history to do what Floyd did.

[Real King Kong]

Hopkins wasnt "beating bigger men" at an older age. Pascal and Cloud were little bitty short dudes who squared up. The consensus was that if Hopkins, given his age, was durable enough for their punching power, that he would be way too tall and outbox them with ease. Hopkins did good though.

But Floyd humiliated guys too young and big for him. Hopkins at an older age simply BEAT little men. So Hopkins an EVEN OLDER guy, beat young prime guys.

Floyd at a younger age than Hopkins, EMBARRASSED guys too big and too young. Allot to point out my friend, but Hopkins didnt impress me more than Floyd did.

But I still give his longevity props because of the circumstantial disadvantages.

Again, I treat all these fighters the same.

No I absolutely dont think Floyd would get killed doing what Hopkins did. I think he would actually perform better.

The Fab Four BEAT men above their natural weight class. Cool.

Floyd's ENTIRE CAREER, he HUMILIATED above his natural weight class and past his prime. Thats the difference. Its cool guys went up in weight higher than their natural weight class than Floyd did.

But Floyd actually made a CAREER above his natural weight class. And they WON, while he DOMINATED. Also, he was old as dirt.

Lets simplify things; Would anyone of the Fab Four, at the age of 37, HUMILIATE fighters half their age, and 15lbs bigger? No, they would lose their lives.

This is a simple fact. My only question to you at this point is, whats the issue?

Why not agree on a fact, and leave it their? Your trying to find ways to treat them differently.

Then telling me that they went up in weight and beat some good fighters as if that would distract me from the fact that it would be impossible for them, or anyone in history to do what Floyd did.

Hopkins at 41 moved up 15lbs and faced easily outboxed Antonio tarver. By your standards this has to be more impressive than what Floyd did cuz Hopkins was older and tarver was far more accomplished than canelo.

You need to stop with the blown up lw narrative...Floyd grew into an established ww. He didn’t make a habit of cutting a lot of weight, except for the pac fight where he was so “dehydrated” he needed an iv, but he was not undersized at ww. He had height/reach on every opponent he faced with exception of maybe Robert Guerrero.

Floyd had a very accomplished long career, but he didn’t face the type of competition Leonard etc did. If Floyd faced that level of opposition and had a few losses, your perspective of his career would change entirely. Comparing these guys is useless really...only the fights that actually happen matter. Floyd just wasn’t in a strong era of welters and didn’t have the fights vs other prime atg fighters.

[MurkaMan]

Hopkins at 41 moved up 15lbs and faced easily outboxed Antonio tarver. By your standards this has to be more impressive than what Floyd did cuz Hopkins was older and tarver was far more accomplished than canelo.

You need to stop with the blown up lw narrative...Floyd grew into an established ww. He didn’t make a habit of cutting a lot of weight, except for the pac fight where he was so “dehydrated” he needed an iv, but he was not undersized at ww. He had height/reach on every opponent he faced with exception of maybe Robert Guerrero.

Floyd had a very accomplished long career, but he didn’t face the type of competition Leonard etc did. If Floyd faced that level of opposition and had a few losses, your perspective of his career would change entirely. Comparing these guys is useless really...only the fights that actually happen matter. Floyd just wasn’t in a strong era of welters and didn’t have the fights vs other prime atg fighters.

You can dig up Hopkins at his absolute best vs a BUM opponent, and it will never outdo the beautiful boxing we saw Floyd executing. But I still give Hopkins props for that.

If Tarver was 15lbs bigger than him, and Hopkins outboxed him, thats definitely impressive and places Hopkins in a top 10 easily. But Floyd was perfect. He was so good his fights looked fixed, as if he and his opponents rehearsed for two months leading up to the fight.

Canelo was 23yrs old, 15lbs bigger than Floyd. Floyd was 37yrs old, 150lbs, and he didnt "outbox" anyone, he embarrassed him. Compare that performance to Hopkins at his best. The weight and the age are both apart of it, but the performance is too.

When you go up in weight, the opponents are harder to hurt, and they hitting you harder than your used too. Its not all about a fighter going up in weight, and adjusting their body. The opponents will be allot more durable and tougher.

Floyd had no real power for those guys. I wasnt saying that he lost something by going up. He lost something by aging of course. But his opponents were stronger and harder to beat. Of course not for him.

He didnt cut any weight. He used the IV for vitamins. This is common sense. He never had any height and reach advantage fool Lol. The tail of the tape CLAIMED that, but those stats dont make sense. Its no way a blown up light weight had longer arms than all of those guys. Pac and JMM are the only opponents in recent times that he towered over and probably had longer arms than.

Look at him in the ring with all those bigass guys, they were huge. He looked like a little baby. But your telling me he had longer arms than Mosley, Canelo, Ortiz, Chino? Nonsense.

But lets say he does right? They claim his arms are longer by a few inches. Thats not a real reach advantage. If he's close enough to land then so are they. You would have to have a foot worth of reach advantage, for it to mean anything.

SRL never faced the type of opponents FLOYD had. Not the other way around. SRL is a natural ww, in his prime, facing the absolute best ww's in their prime.

Thats like comparing Floyd at the lower weights against Diego and Genero.

Lets say SRL comes into the sport at 147, then does a cw at 154, then goes to 160, then settles down at 168 with a few occasional bouts at 175.

Lets say he does cw fights at 168 from the age of 29 to 38, with a few bouts at 175. He is going to walk them down without getting touched??

-_-

He would get killed in the ring. My problem is that your not treating them the same. Floyd and SRL both faced the best at their prime weight classes. Floyd just went above and beyond, out of his weight class and humiliated bigger men into his late 30's. Its abnormal.

I think that because SRL stayed at 47 for most of his career, and that Floyd made a name for himself at 147, we seem to compare them allot.

We dont really realize how much greater Floyd is, and how much tougher his opponents where.

Floyd faced top notch opponents at his prime weight class. Then went up and weight and completely outdid himself.


I rarely even mention Floyd going undefeated. I only talk about how good he was when he WON. I dont fault SRL for losing because everyone cant be Floyd. Nothing wrong with losing. If Floyd had a bad night and lost, well guess what? Allot of greats have lost. I would still look at his victories, and it would blow me away at how good he was.

Just like you say "Floyd didnt have the fights vs other prime atg fighters" you also have to mention that he was past his prime and humiliating men too young and big for him. You cant speak on what he didnt do, and not mention what he DID do.

I can see if he ducked great fighters and thats it. But even though some fights didnt happen, OTHER fights DID happen, and he was too old and small to be performing that well.

*** what he didnt do. The **** he DID do, outshines every other fighter in the history of the sport.