Comments Thread For: GGG: Biggest Opponent is My Age & Determination To Keep Boxing

[Real King Kong]

You can dig up Hopkins at his absolute best vs a BUM opponent, and it will never outdo the beautiful boxing we saw Floyd executing. But I still give Hopkins props for that.

If Tarver was 15lbs bigger than him, and Hopkins outboxed him, thats definitely impressive and places Hopkins in a top 10 easily. But Floyd was perfect. He was so good his fights looked fixed, as if he and his opponents rehearsed for two months leading up to the fight.

Canelo was 23yrs old, 15lbs bigger than Floyd. Floyd was 37yrs old, 150lbs, and he didnt "outbox" anyone, he embarrassed him. Compare that performance to Hopkins at his best. The weight and the age are both apart of it, but the performance is too.

When you go up in weight, the opponents are harder to hurt, and they hitting you harder than your used too. Its not all about a fighter going up in weight, and adjusting their body. The opponents will be allot more durable and tougher.

Floyd had no real power for those guys. I wasnt saying that he lost something by going up. He lost something by aging of course. But his opponents were stronger and harder to beat. Of course not for him.

He didnt cut any weight. He used the IV for vitamins. This is common sense. He never had any height and reach advantage fool Lol. The tail of the tape CLAIMED that, but those stats dont make sense. Its no way a blown up light weight had longer arms than all of those guys. Pac and JMM are the only opponents in recent times that he towered over and probably had longer arms than.

Look at him in the ring with all those bigass guys, they were huge. He looked like a little baby. But your telling me he had longer arms than Mosley, Canelo, Ortiz, Chino? Nonsense.

But lets say he does right? They claim his arms are longer by a few inches. Thats not a real reach advantage. If he's close enough to land then so are they. You would have to have a foot worth of reach advantage, for it to mean anything.

SRL never faced the type of opponents FLOYD had. Not the other way around. SRL is a natural ww, in his prime, facing the absolute best ww's in their prime.

Thats like comparing Floyd at the lower weights against Diego and Genero.

Lets say SRL comes into the sport at 147, then does a cw at 154, then goes to 160, then settles down at 168 with a few occasional bouts at 175.

Lets say he does cw fights at 168 from the age of 29 to 38, with a few bouts at 175. He is going to walk them down without getting touched??

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He would get killed in the ring. My problem is that your not treating them the same. Floyd and SRL both faced the best at their prime weight classes. Floyd just went above and beyond, out of his weight class and humiliated bigger men into his late 30's. Its abnormal.

I think that because SRL stayed at 47 for most of his career, and that Floyd made a name for himself at 147, we seem to compare them allot.

We dont really realize how much greater Floyd is, and how much tougher his opponents where.

Floyd faced top notch opponents at his prime weight class. Then went up and weight and completely outdid himself.


I rarely even mention Floyd going undefeated. I only talk about how good he was when he WON. I dont fault SRL for losing because everyone cant be Floyd. Nothing wrong with losing. If Floyd had a bad night and lost, well guess what? Allot of greats have lost. I would still look at his victories, and it would blow me away at how good he was.

Just like you say "Floyd didnt have the fights vs other prime atg fighters" you also have to mention that he was past his prime and humiliating men too young and big for him. You cant speak on what he didnt do, and not mention what he DID do.

I can see if he ducked great fighters and thats it. But even though some fights didnt happen, OTHER fights DID happen, and he was too old and small to be performing that well.

*** what he didnt do. The **** he DID do, outshines every other fighter in the history of the sport.

You keep moving the goalposts to accommodate Floyd lol. Hopkins fought a “bum” in tarver, but canelo was some type of great fighter? Tarver had at least beaten an atg...canelo, not so much, and the fight was at a cw...and that’s you “digging up” Floyd’s “absolute best”.

How is Floyd, who you say is a “natural lw”, fighting at ww the same as Leonard fighting at 168-175? It makes 0 sense. When I say Leonard fought prime atg fighters, it’s because they were available to fight and he fought them...Floyd didn’t cuz they weren’t available and he didn’t. It’s comparing apples to oranges my friend.

[ShawnTaylor]

Of course you're getting old, that's what time does to you. Maybe you should have dared to be great earlier, instead of wasting your career hiding at 160 lb while fighting trashcans?

[MurkaMan]

I never moved the goal post. I treat Floyd the same as everyone else, something YOU dont do. You keep treating everyone else different from Floyd, when in all actuality, he did things that they couldnt do.

And what You fail to realize is that I give Hopkins the EXACT SAME CREDIT as Floyd. I ALSO Factor in who was the better of the two; which was Floyd. I easily can put Hopkins in a top 5, EASILY.

When the hell did I say Tarver was a bum? I said that Hopkins at his BEST vs a bum, would not be the same as Floyd at his best vs an elite fighter. The skillset difference between Hopkins and Floyd is night and day.

You talk about a cw, as if Canelo was at some disadvantage. Floyd was 37yrs old and 150lbs. Canelo was 23yrs old and 165lbs. He didnt win, he DOMINATED.

So when you make these comments, you sound ignorant. Canelo was at a SKILL's disadvantage, but thats surrounding Floyd's QUALITY AS A FIGHTER. Floyd is SO GOOD that he could face men he shouldnt be able to beat, and make them look foolish. Then the media downplays his performance with this silly nitpicky nonsense.

But we wouldnt be able to do that with ANY OTHER FIGHTER IN HISTORY, Because Floyd is better than them all. Its simply math.

NO one can do what Floyd did. One could easily argue that Floyd can do what Hopkins did, and make it LOOK EVEN EASIER.

To answer your question; Because SRL is a natural welterweight, and back then they didnt have as many weight classes. So he would be 28 fighting at 168, with occasional bouts at 175, and do it until the age of 38 and make the opponents look ******? GTFO.

Again, your speaking in circles regarding this "SRL fought guys in his prime" silliness. When I respond to it, you wont respond back. You will ignore me and go in circles again.

SRL was in HIS prime, and faced the absolute best at THEIR prime, at his NATURAL WEIGHT CLASS. Didnt Floyd face Genero and Diego at the lighter weight classes?

Again, you want to speak on SRL fighting someone, but wont speak on how DOMINANT he was or wasnt in victory. You want to talk on who Floyd didnt fight, but wont speak on who he DID fight. His opponents were past prime, but you never mention the fights he had when HE was past prime.

Floyd was PAST his prime, out of his natural weight class, in his late 30's HUMILIATING men too big and too young for him.

Something is seriously wrong with you bud. All these circles your going in, when all you have to do is give the man props for being the GOAT, and leave it their.

I have never seen this much dedication to lying about something so silly. Your bias against Floyd and want to nitpick his everymove.

But you wont do it to everyone else. You speak on one portion of a debate, but continually ignore the other portion.

Stop responding to me with this fake bullshyt!!

[MurkaMan]

You keep moving the goalposts to accommodate Floyd lol. Hopkins fought a “bum” in tarver, but canelo was some type of great fighter? Tarver had at least beaten an atg...canelo, not so much, and the fight was at a cw...and that’s you “digging up” Floyd’s “absolute best”.

How is Floyd, who you say is a “natural lw”, fighting at ww the same as Leonard fighting at 168-175? It makes 0 sense. When I say Leonard fought prime atg fighters, it’s because they were available to fight and he fought them...Floyd didn’t cuz they weren’t available and he didn’t. It’s comparing apples to oranges my friend.

I never moved the goal post. I treat Floyd the same as everyone else, something YOU dont do. You keep treating everyone else different from Floyd, when in all actuality, he did things that they couldnt do.

And what You fail to realize is that I give Hopkins the EXACT SAME CREDIT as Floyd. I ALSO Factor in who was the better of the two; which was Floyd. I easily can put Hopkins in a top 5, EASILY.

When the hell did I say Tarver was a bum? I said that Hopkins at his BEST vs a bum, would not be the same as Floyd at his best vs an elite fighter. The skillset difference between Hopkins and Floyd is night and day.

You talk about a cw, as if Canelo was at some disadvantage. Floyd was 37yrs old and 150lbs. Canelo was 23yrs old and 165lbs. He didnt win, he DOMINATED.

So when you make these comments, you sound ignorant. Canelo was at a SKILL's disadvantage, but thats surrounding Floyd's QUALITY AS A FIGHTER. Floyd is SO GOOD that he could face men he shouldnt be able to beat, and make them look foolish. Then the media downplays his performance with this silly nitpicky nonsense.

But we wouldnt be able to do that with ANY OTHER FIGHTER IN HISTORY, Because Floyd is better than them all. Its simply math.

NO one can do what Floyd did. One could easily argue that Floyd can do what Hopkins did, and make it LOOK EVEN EASIER.

To answer your question; Because SRL is a natural welterweight, and back then they didnt have as many weight classes. So he would be 28 fighting at 168, with occasional bouts at 175, and do it until the age of 38 and make the opponents look ******? GTFO.

Again, your speaking in circles regarding this "SRL fought guys in his prime" silliness. When I respond to it, you wont respond back. You will ignore me and go in circles again.

SRL was in HIS prime, and faced the absolute best at THEIR prime, at his NATURAL WEIGHT CLASS. Didnt Floyd face Genero and Diego at the lighter weight classes?

Again, you want to speak on SRL fighting someone, but wont speak on how DOMINANT he was or wasnt in victory. You want to talk on who Floyd didnt fight, but wont speak on who he DID fight. His opponents were past prime, but you never mention the fights he had when HE was past prime.

Floyd was PAST his prime, out of his natural weight class, in his late 30's HUMILIATING men too big and too young for him.

Something is seriously wrong with you bud. All these circles your going in, when all you have to do is give the man props for being the GOAT, and leave it their.

I have never seen this much dedication to lying about something so silly. Your bias against Floyd and want to nitpick his everymove.

But you wont do it to everyone else. You speak on one portion of a debate, but continually ignore the other portion.

Stop responding to me with this fake bullshyt!!

[Real King Kong]

I never moved the goal post. I treat Floyd the same as everyone else, something YOU dont do. You keep treating everyone else different from Floyd, when in all actuality, he did things that they couldnt do.

And what You fail to realize is that I give Hopkins the EXACT SAME CREDIT as Floyd. I ALSO Factor in who was the better of the two; which was Floyd. I easily can put Hopkins in a top 5, EASILY.

When the hell did I say Tarver was a bum? I said that Hopkins at his BEST vs a bum, would not be the same as Floyd at his best vs an elite fighter. The skillset difference between Hopkins and Floyd is night and day.

You talk about a cw, as if Canelo was at some disadvantage. Floyd was 37yrs old and 150lbs. Canelo was 23yrs old and 165lbs. He didnt win, he DOMINATED.

So when you make these comments, you sound ignorant. Canelo was at a SKILL's disadvantage, but thats surrounding Floyd's QUALITY AS A FIGHTER. Floyd is SO GOOD that he could face men he shouldnt be able to beat, and make them look foolish. Then the media downplays his performance with this silly nitpicky nonsense.

But we wouldnt be able to do that with ANY OTHER FIGHTER IN HISTORY, Because Floyd is better than them all. Its simply math.

NO one can do what Floyd did. One could easily argue that Floyd can do what Hopkins did, and make it LOOK EVEN EASIER.

To answer your question; Because SRL is a natural welterweight, and back then they didnt have as many weight classes. So he would be 28 fighting at 168, with occasional bouts at 175, and do it until the age of 38 and make the opponents look ******? GTFO.

Again, your speaking in circles regarding this "SRL fought guys in his prime" silliness. When I respond to it, you wont respond back. You will ignore me and go in circles again.

SRL was in HIS prime, and faced the absolute best at THEIR prime, at his NATURAL WEIGHT CLASS. Didnt Floyd face Genero and Diego at the lighter weight classes?

Again, you want to speak on SRL fighting someone, but wont speak on how DOMINANT he was or wasnt in victory. You want to talk on who Floyd didnt fight, but wont speak on who he DID fight. His opponents were past prime, but you never mention the fights he had when HE was past prime.

Floyd was PAST his prime, out of his natural weight class, in his late 30's HUMILIATING men too big and too young for him.

Something is seriously wrong with you bud. All these circles your going in, when all you have to do is give the man props for being the GOAT, and leave it their.

I have never seen this much dedication to lying about something so silly. Your bias against Floyd and want to nitpick his everymove.

But you wont do it to everyone else. You speak on one portion of a debate, but continually ignore the other portion.

Stop responding to me with this fake bullshyt!!

Lol...it seems like you’re the one who has something wrong with you. You go on these long emotional rants defending imaginary attacks against Floyd. I give Floyd props, but he isn’t the goat. I simply gave an example of something those fighters did that Floyd didn’t...face other atg fighters in their primes.

[MurkaMan]

Lol...it seems like you’re the one who has something wrong with you. You go on these long emotional rants defending imaginary attacks against Floyd. I give Floyd props, but he isn’t the goat. I simply gave an example of something those fighters did that Floyd didn’t...face other atg fighters in their primes.

And not one single response to what I said. Again, You say Floyd didnt do this and didnt do that. But what about the things he DID do? Things that no other fighter in the history could do.

What about when he was PAST HIS PRIME? You treat other fighters different from Floyd, and dont hold them to the same standard. If they attempted to do what Floyd did, they would die in the ring.

You gave no examples of anything. You mention Bhop who I gave the EXACT SAME CREDIT I gave Floyd.

Your bias, refuse to respond to anything. Even now, your saying the same fake nonsense you been saying. Stuff I already responded to.

Should've just admitted you were wrong, and left it their. Why troll and speak in circles?

Talking about "emotional". All those facts I stated, that back up my opinion, that without a doubt, this man was something we will never ever see again.

This thread is about Big Bad, GGG aging, while Floyd basically got older and better!

No need for us to speak anymore.

[Real King Kong]

And not one single response to what I said. Again, You say Floyd didnt do this and didnt do that. But what about the things he DID do? Things that no other fighter in the history could do.

What about when he was PAST HIS PRIME? You treat other fighters different from Floyd, and dont hold them to the same standard. If they attempted to do what Floyd did, they would die in the ring.

You gave no examples of anything. You mention Bhop who I gave the EXACT SAME CREDIT I gave Floyd.

Your bias, refuse to respond to anything. Even now, your saying the same fake nonsense you been saying. Stuff I already responded to.

Should've just admitted you were wrong, and left it their. Why troll and speak in circles?

Talking about "emotional". All those facts I stated, that back up my opinion, that without a doubt, this man was something we will never ever see again.

This thread is about Big Bad, GGG aging, while Floyd basically got older and better!

No need for us to speak anymore.

Lol...ok. You’ve been giving all the reasons why you think Floyd is the goat...I gave the reason I think he’s not. For whatever reason, it seemed to bother you a lot.

[MurkaMan]

Lol...ok. You’ve been giving all the reasons why you think Floyd is the goat...I gave the reason I think he’s not. For whatever reason, it seemed to bother you a lot.

You never refuted anything I said at all. All you did was mention Bhop who I gave the same credit too.

Then you kept repeating this nonsense about who fought better opponents, without really heeding to the fact that both SRL and Floyd fought the absolute best at their natural weight. While Floyd aged and went up to face bigger men and fought and humiliated men too big and young for him.

What bothers you is the fact that Floyd is the greatest of all time. You wont say that, because you think its easier to speak in circles. But what you fail to realize is by doing that, your basically admitting that he is the goat. Because if you honestly felt he wasnt, you wouldnt have to troll and go in circles.

When I bring up the facts, their is no where to go. Its just a brick wall that stops and ends with Floyd and his one of a kind legacy!!

Again, eat shyt, and stop responding to me!

[Real King Kong]

You never refuted anything I said at all. All you did was mention Bhop who I gave the same credit too.

Then you kept repeating this nonsense about who fought better opponents, without really heeding to the fact that both SRL and Floyd fought the absolute best at their natural weight. While Floyd aged and went up to face bigger men and fought and humiliated men too big and young for him.

What bothers you is the fact that Floyd is the greatest of all time. You wont say that, because you think its easier to speak in circles. But what you fail to realize is by doing that, your basically admitting that he is the goat. Because if you honestly felt he wasnt, you wouldnt have to troll and go in circles.

When I bring up the facts, their is no where to go. Its just a brick wall that stops and ends with Floyd and his one of a kind legacy!!

Again, eat shyt, and stop responding to me!

Take it easy crybaby...”stop responding to me doe” lol.

Floyd has never faced the level of opposition those guys did, period. You may put all kinds of value in Floyd’s longevity and that’s fine, but he lacks a single win vs another prime atg fighter. I don’t really care if you think he’s the goat.

[MurkaMan]

Take it easy crybaby...”stop responding to me doe” lol.

Floyd has never faced the level of opposition those guys did, period. You may put all kinds of value in Floyd’s longevity and that’s fine, but he lacks a single win vs another prime atg fighter. I don’t really care if you think he’s the goat.

I know, becaused he faced TOUGHER opposition than them! Like I said prior, Ali is the only one with a tougher resume than Floyd but thats because at that weight class, everyone is 30lbs bigger than him.

And then you say "He never faced a prime ATG fighter" But only THAT defines someone's legacy, and nothing else right? He never did this, he never did that, but the things he did do, completely shytted on every fighter in history!!

And 4th time not responding to a word I say!

Ducking and dodging!

Btw, SRR never faced an ATG prime fighter!