Comments Thread For: GGG: Biggest Opponent is My Age & Determination To Keep Boxing

[MurkaMan]

Everyone doesn’t have the same longevity, but everyone is in their prime for some amount of time. The type of opposition Leonard faced in his prime, eclipses Floyd’s. If you wanna say Floyd had the overall better career, that’s fine...not gonna argue with that.

Not Floyd. He got even better with age. See SRL stopped training, started doing dope, and got his ass whipped when he got old. When Floyd got old, he stopped getting knockouts, and started embarrassing men without getting touched. It was amazing. When he got washed, he started running and hugging. Think about that..

SRL got washed and got whipped. Floyd got old and BETTER, with less KO's, then got washed and started clinching and running, and became less accurate with his punchers.

I agree that SRL was top guys in their prime and WINNING. Floyd was past his prime, out of his weight class, and DOMINATING men half his age and twice his size.

See we gotta hold them to the same standard. Floyd's resume is tougher than SRL. SRL's resume just has legendary names on his. And SRL was in his prime facing better opponents in their prime. But you cant mention that without pointing out that it was abnormal for Floyd to be 37yrs old, 150lbs, and WALKING down Canelo who was 23yrs old and 165lbs.

He literally walked this man down without getting grazed.

SRL and ALI have the greatest and biggest names on their resume. Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Herns, Duran, and Hagler will outshine any fighter in history.

But because of the circumstantial disadvantages, Floyd's resume is tougher than SRL and everyone else not named Ali. And unlike both men, Floyd didnt win his fights. he DOMINATED.

Now because Ali is a heavyweight ALL of his opponents are 30lbs bigger than him. He is at a greater disadvantage than Floyd and SRL.

At the most Floyd's opponents were 15lbs bigger than him. Ali beat giants. Floyd humilated giants but not at that disadvantage. Then we speak on age. He was 37.

See to me, I treat all these fighter the same. I dont treat them differently. This is why I give Floyd credit for being lightyears greater than everyone else.

[MurkaMan]

What opponents of circumstance? Just Hearns alone would beat all of Floyd's opponents. Most of them would be knocked out at WW. Even Floyd Sn. wouldn't say that Floyd could beat Duran. Benitez was a defensive wizard. I doubt very much Floyd could beat any of those three men. As for Leonard he would beat Floyd no question IMO.

Floyd's legacy topped off when he was 37 and 150lbs, humiliating men who were 23yrs old and 15lbs larger than him. Put SRL at those circumstances or any fighter in history. They will get killed in the ring.

Floyd WINNING was amazing, but the fact that he EMBARRASSED THEM? Its outstanding what this man has accomplished.

I believe that Herns could very well beat allot of Floyd's opponents. But could Herns be 37yrs old, and 15lbs smaller, and even WIN? Not even dominate like Floyd, but just skate by? Helll no!

And see I was speaking on Floyd's dominance, quality of opposition, and how he got older, the opponents got larger, and he got even sharper. His legacy, which places him leagues above everyone else.

But you want to speak on him facing off against the past greats?

Lets speak on it then my friend. We look at that phenomenal 50-0 right? Based off of facts, 100 out of 100 times Floyd is virtually invincible. This is a fact.

But we could say the same thing about Calgzaghe. Or Marciano. Based off of facts, on paper, they are all virtually invincible.

HOWEVER, when we look at the eye test...I see that Joe is tricky to fight, but it wasnt amazing. Rocky fought bums at heavyweight, and was able to KO them all.

But look at how Floyd achieved his record. He was PERFECT. Not only on paper was he perfect, but the way he won, laughing at opponents as they ran into punches. I mean he was phenomenal.

I cannot give anyone in the history of boxing a fantasy victory over Floyd. Just running, clinching, and popshotting, NO ONE in the history of the sport can beat him.

But thats not how he works right? He wants to stand in the center of the ring, and humiliate guys. Floyd at his best, can be caught by a punch. Him coming to fight and pick someone apart, he can be caught by a punch and MAYBE take an L

But Duran who got outboxed by SRL who is a limited, albeit taller version of Floyd?? No siry bob. Floyd will wash that man.

Benitez is a basic one dimensional "bob n weave" defensive specialist. Very easy to hit. Floyd is a pureboxer, who taps you and avoids the shot by an inch. He is so natural he moves like a cat. Benitez aint no damn Floyd and you know that. Crawford would beat the living hell out of Benitez.

Benitez was tall as hell and couldnt even outbox SRL who was limited himself. I see Floyd embarrassing all of those guys. Herns has the best chance but because of his size I see nothing but target practice.

Anyone who lost to SRL, is not getting a fantasy victory over Floyd homie.

[Real King Kong]

Not Floyd. He got even better with age. See SRL stopped training, started doing dope, and got his ass whipped when he got old. When Floyd got old, he stopped getting knockouts, and started embarrassing men without getting touched. It was amazing. When he got washed, he started running and hugging. Think about that..

SRL got washed and got whipped. Floyd got old and BETTER, with less KO's, then got washed and started clinching and running, and became less accurate with his punchers.

I agree that SRL was top guys in their prime and WINNING. Floyd was past his prime, out of his weight class, and DOMINATING men half his age and twice his size.

See we gotta hold them to the same standard. Floyd's resume is tougher than SRL. SRL's resume just has legendary names on his. And SRL was in his prime facing better opponents in their prime. But you cant mention that without pointing out that it was abnormal for Floyd to be 37yrs old, 150lbs, and WALKING down Canelo who was 23yrs old and 165lbs.

He literally walked this man down without getting grazed.

SRL and ALI have the greatest and biggest names on their resume. Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Herns, Duran, and Hagler will outshine any fighter in history.

But because of the circumstantial disadvantages, Floyd's resume is tougher than SRL and everyone else not named Ali. And unlike both men, Floyd didnt win his fights. he DOMINATED.

Now because Ali is a heavyweight ALL of his opponents are 30lbs bigger than him. He is at a greater disadvantage than Floyd and SRL.

At the most Floyd's opponents were 15lbs bigger than him. Ali beat giants. Floyd humilated giants but not at that disadvantage. Then we speak on age. He was 37.

See to me, I treat all these fighter the same. I dont treat them differently. This is why I give Floyd credit for being lightyears greater than everyone else.

I don’t really see your point...are you saying Floyd’s resume is “tougher” than Leonard’s cuz he fought some of those guys when he was past his prime? Many of the names on Floyd’s resume were also well past it when he fought them, many of them more so than Floyd. I mean, if you’re looking at it from the context of Floyd going undefeated, it’s not really a proper comparison...because if Floyd fought the type of opposition Leonard did, he most likely would have a few L’s.

[TonyGe]

Not Floyd. He got even better with age. See SRL stopped training, started doing dope, and got his ass whipped when he got old. When Floyd got old, he stopped getting knockouts, and started embarrassing men without getting touched. It was amazing. When he got washed, he started running and hugging. Think about that..

SRL got washed and got whipped. Floyd got old and BETTER, with less KO's, then got washed and started clinching and running, and became less accurate with his punchers.

I agree that SRL was top guys in their prime and WINNING. Floyd was past his prime, out of his weight class, and DOMINATING men half his age and twice his size.

See we gotta hold them to the same standard. Floyd's resume is tougher than SRL. SRL's resume just has legendary names on his. And SRL was in his prime facing better opponents in their prime. But you cant mention that without pointing out that it was abnormal for Floyd to be 37yrs old, 150lbs, and WALKING down Canelo who was 23yrs old and 165lbs.

He literally walked this man down without getting grazed.

SRL and ALI have the greatest and biggest names on their resume. Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Herns, Duran, and Hagler will outshine any fighter in history.

But because of the circumstantial disadvantages, Floyd's resume is tougher than SRL and everyone else not named Ali. And unlike both men, Floyd didnt win his fights. he DOMINATED.

Now because Ali is a heavyweight ALL of his opponents are 30lbs bigger than him. He is at a greater disadvantage than Floyd and SRL.

At the most Floyd's opponents were 15lbs bigger than him. Ali beat giants. Floyd humilated giants but not at that disadvantage. Then we speak on age. He was 37.

See to me, I treat all these fighter the same. I dont treat them differently. This is why I give Floyd credit for being lightyears greater than everyone else.

Prime for prime. SRL and Tommy Hearns both beat Mayweather. Tommy is all wrong for Mayweather due to his physical advantages. Hearns has a longer reach than Mayweather taking away one of Mayweather's advantages over his opponents. He has way more power. His hand speed is rarely talked about but it was very good. He's an underrated boxer. He beat Benitez a defensive wizard by out pointing him. His jab was quick accurate and powerfull.

[MurkaMan]

I don’t really see your point...are you saying Floyd’s resume is “tougher” than Leonard’s cuz he fought some of those guys when he was past his prime? Many of the names on Floyd’s resume were also well past it when he fought them, many of them more so than Floyd. I mean, if you’re looking at it from the context of Floyd going undefeated, it’s not really a proper comparison...because if Floyd fought the type of opposition Leonard did, he most likely would have a few L’s.

Your glossing over my comments and not actually responding to half of what I say tbh. Your saying things I already responded to.

How come when SRL fought an aging Hagler, he didnt humiliate him like Floyd when he fights older fighters? See in boxing your going to face older, younger, smaller, bigger men. I feel that when it comes to Floyd, he just so much better than the other greats, that we nitpick and its silly. This man is byfar the goat.

Not only that, but Mosley is the only older fighter that Floyd faced that really put the cherry on top. Not Cotto and Pacman. It was the young giants Floyd faced when he was old and past HIS prime.

And I didnt say he was great because he "fought guys when he was past prime". I said that he had more nutz than SRL because SRL wouldnt dare at the age of 37 even FACE a guy 23yrs old and 15lbs bigger.

However I did say that Floyd was great because of his AGE, SIZE, and his opponents AGE AND SIZE, when he HUMILIATED, not "faced", them.

See had Floyd have simply a 23yr old, 15lb bigger Canelo, that would still be amazing. But he didnt "beat" him. He EMBARRASSED him. It wont ever happen again.

You read every single thing I said about Floyd "going undefeated" Yet your responding to me like you dont know what I said. Just admit Im right, and leave it their.

Imagine Floyd facing the fighters that SRL BARELY BEAT, Floyd would WHITE WASH his entire legacy, minus Hagler.

But make Floyd the same age and size that SRL was when he faced Hagler, thats a mismatch fight homie.

SRL being a taller, less skilled version of Floyd, boy Floyd even at the size he is, would still embarrass them. I based that on the fact that even though SRL is taller than Floyd, Floyd is byfar sharper. And if SRL BARELY won, Floyd could run around the ring and potshot against anyone in history, including Hagler, and win.

But thats not what Floyd wants to do. He wants to stand in the center of the ring, and pick you apart. I see no competition except Hagler, and thats because of his size, not his skillset.

[MurkaMan]

Prime for prime. SRL and Tommy Hearns both beat Mayweather. Tommy is all wrong for Mayweather due to his physical advantages. Hearns has a longer reach than Mayweather taking away one of Mayweather's advantages over his opponents. He has way more power. His hand speed is rarely talked about but it was very good. He's an underrated boxer. He beat Benitez a defensive wizard by out pointing him. His jab was quick accurate and powerfull.

This is why your wrong; Because both Tommy and SRL are outdated fighters. You talk about bumazz Benitez, this dude aint no Floyd. He aint even no Pernell.

See every fighter Floyd faces has size and reach on him. The tail of the tape has been inaccurate. Floyd is a blown up lightweight, and all these dudes so much bigger than him. We have enough common sense to know that his arms arent longer than these guys bro.

See reach has nothing to do with it. Floyd's cat-like instincts allow him to melt in between his opponent's movements. SRL and Hearns, in comparison to Floyd, are so subpar, that everything they do would get them popped. I think those are mismatch opponents for both Floyd and Pac. They would be smaller and quicker. And Hearns lost to SRL, who is the same type of pureboxer Floyd is, he just way more limited. I cant give neither guy a fantasy victory over Floyd.

Again, running and potshotting, and clinching, NO FIGHTER IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT can UD Floyd. But Floyd wants to stand in the center of the ring and outwit you.

THATS where I say, he can be caught by something. But not by them. But like I say, just running, clinching, potshotting, doing the bare minimum, no one beats this guy. I dont see how you disagree with that.

[TonyGe]

This is why your wrong; Because both Tommy and SRL are outdated fighters. You talk about bumazz Benitez, this dude aint no Floyd. He aint even no Pernell.

See every fighter Floyd faces has size and reach on him. The tail of the tape has been inaccurate. Floyd is a blown up lightweight, and all these dudes so much bigger than him. We have enough common sense to know that his arms arent longer than these guys bro.

See reach has nothing to do with it. Floyd's cat-like instincts allow him to melt in between his opponent's movements. SRL and Hearns, in comparison to Floyd, are so subpar, that everything they do would get them popped. I think those are mismatch opponents for both Floyd and Pac. They would be smaller and quicker. And Hearns lost to SRL, who is the same type of pureboxer Floyd is, he just way more limited. I cant give neither guy a fantasy victory over Floyd.

Again, running and potshotting, and clinching, NO FIGHTER IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT can UD Floyd. But Floyd wants to stand in the center of the ring and outwit you.

THATS where I say, he can be caught by something. But not by them. But like I say, just running, clinching, potshotting, doing the bare minimum, no one beats this guy. I dont see how you disagree with that.

You actually said this..
"See every fighter Floyd faces has size and reach on him. The tail of the tape has been inaccurate."

That's inaccurate not the tale of the tape. It's well known that Floyd's reach was a big part of his success. You are also claiming that everyine he faced was bigger than him. That is also inaccurate.

[FredRekk]

Your delusional, NO ONE IN THE HISTORY of the sport can do what Floyd did. There are no "cherrypicked" opponents. Everytime he fought someone the media kept repeating "Oh Floyd fought them for a reason". Thats the jist of Floyd "cherrypicking". Him fighting someone too damn big and young for him, and the media nitpicking the opponent and lying about how its a cherrypick.

This man was 37yrs old 150lbs, and walked down Canelo who was 165lbs and 23yrs old. No one can do what Floyd was doing to opponents this good! This man is byfar the greatest fighter in the history of the sport. He never won fights. He DOMINATED fights, and we are really just lucky to be apart of this rich legacy!

No he just held down the defend button like in a Street Fighter game and then jabbed whenever he saw an opening, and then ran until the time ran out and won by decision.

That’s not fighting.
That’s playing tag and running.

[TonyGe]

This is why your wrong; Because both Tommy and SRL are outdated fighters. You talk about bumazz Benitez, this dude aint no Floyd. He aint even no Pernell.

See every fighter Floyd faces has size and reach on him. The tail of the tape has been inaccurate. Floyd is a blown up lightweight, and all these dudes so much bigger than him. We have enough common sense to know that his arms arent longer than these guys bro.

See reach has nothing to do with it. Floyd's cat-like instincts allow him to melt in between his opponent's movements. SRL and Hearns, in comparison to Floyd, are so subpar, that everything they do would get them popped. I think those are mismatch opponents for both Floyd and Pac. They would be smaller and quicker. And Hearns lost to SRL, who is the same type of pureboxer Floyd is, he just way more limited. I cant give neither guy a fantasy victory over Floyd.

Again, running and potshotting, and clinching, NO FIGHTER IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT can UD Floyd. But Floyd wants to stand in the center of the ring and outwit you.

THATS where I say, he can be caught by something. But not by them. But like I say, just running, clinching, potshotting, doing the bare minimum, no one beats this guy. I dont see how you disagree with that.

In reality he lost to Castillo and Maidana. I thought he lost to Pacquiao also. Floyd got the benefit of favorable scoring several times in his career. Leonard, Hearns and Duran would beat everyone Mayweather beat. Duran is a level above Castillo and Maidana. Everything they could do he could do better. Offense defense infighting footwork aggression variety of punches body work he was better that those two.

[Real King Kong]

Your glossing over my comments and not actually responding to half of what I say tbh. Your saying things I already responded to.

How come when SRL fought an aging Hagler, he didnt humiliate him like Floyd when he fights older fighters? See in boxing your going to face older, younger, smaller, bigger men. I feel that when it comes to Floyd, he just so much better than the other greats, that we nitpick and its silly. This man is byfar the goat.

Not only that, but Mosley is the only older fighter that Floyd faced that really put the cherry on top. Not Cotto and Pacman. It was the young giants Floyd faced when he was old and past HIS prime.

And I didnt say he was great because he "fought guys when he was past prime". I said that he had more nutz than SRL because SRL wouldnt dare at the age of 37 even FACE a guy 23yrs old and 15lbs bigger.

However I did say that Floyd was great because of his AGE, SIZE, and his opponents AGE AND SIZE, when he HUMILIATED, not "faced", them.

See had Floyd have simply a 23yr old, 15lb bigger Canelo, that would still be amazing. But he didnt "beat" him. He EMBARRASSED him. It wont ever happen again.

You read every single thing I said about Floyd "going undefeated" Yet your responding to me like you dont know what I said. Just admit Im right, and leave it their.

Imagine Floyd facing the fighters that SRL BARELY BEAT, Floyd would WHITE WASH his entire legacy, minus Hagler.

But make Floyd the same age and size that SRL was when he faced Hagler, thats a mismatch fight homie.

SRL being a taller, less skilled version of Floyd, boy Floyd even at the size he is, would still embarrass them. I based that on the fact that even though SRL is taller than Floyd, Floyd is byfar sharper. And if SRL BARELY won, Floyd could run around the ring and potshot against anyone in history, including Hagler, and win.

But thats not what Floyd wants to do. He wants to stand in the center of the ring, and pick you apart. I see no competition except Hagler, and thats because of his size, not his skillset.

If you didn’t write a book every post, I wouldn’t have to gloss over it lol.

Like I said, fighters have different longevity...can’t really fault other great fighters for not lasting into late 30s. That’s the exception, not the norm.

Leonard faced the better competition by far, that’s just a fact. You can keep telling me how Floyd white washed this guy or that guy, but he wouldn’t be white washing Duran, hearns, hagler type opponents, simple as that.