Comments Thread For: Hopkins, Marquez Among Loaded First-Time Hall of Fame Ballot Entries

[thedarkdragon11]

Hopkins, Marquez, Mosley, Martinez, Bradley and Arce should get in...

If the likes of Froch and Tarver gets in, I think the likes of Broner, Crawford, Santa Cruz, Nietes and Mikey Garcia can easily get in...

[thedarkdragon11]

The only good thing in the new rules is that TBE (not The Best Ever) will get in next year... Best way to end next year isn't it?

[Adamsc151]

Hopkins will definitely get in from that list. Out of the rest I think the following deserve to get the nod as well; Martinez, Mosley, Marquez, Bradley and Arce.

[apollocreed]

WBA was the regular title. Ward was the actual champion at the time. That crap doesn’t count. He’s had a good career no doubt. Two time champ. Huge fights with Groves. He just hasn’t had a hall of fame career to me. 1 division champ, which is cool, but he was never the best fighter in his own division. Hall of fame is for great fighters. That he is not.

Calzaghe deserves entrance. He was the man at 168 for a long time. Froch ? No.

I see your point, but I've seen quite a few fighters go in who weren't the undisputed number one at their weight, providing they still mixed it with the best and had excellent careers.

[Jab jab boom]

Hammed is way above Froch and Gatti. Hammed deserves to be there, Froch and Gatti don't belong in the HOF.

out of curiosity, what wins on hameds resume do you feel made him hall of fame worthy? I recall wins over Kelly and Vasquez but both were clearly past their best. Obviously Barrera was by far his best opponent faced and that didn't go very well.

[JLC]

Sorry, but Kessler wasn't done. Was he past his best? Yes, but done? Not at all. It was a very good win. Taylor was in his prime. That was a great win. I don't want to hear the nonsense of him being done to downplay the win after everyone said he'd destroy Froch and send him packing. Johnson had his one last hurrah so it was a good win. Froch is definitely a great fighter who is a shoe in for the hall. His resume says it all. How anyone could argue against it is beyond me.

Hearns was never the best at his weight either. But he's in the hall. However, I saw Froch as the number 1 guy after Ward needing to be DQ'd in the Kessler fight so he remains the top guy. Then you factor in Ward ducking Bute so I moved him ahead of Ward too. Froch then goes on and beats both taking the top spot. Froch offered Ward a rematch in England but Ward being afraid to travel as we know, wouldn't go for it. He did try and make it look as though he would. But when he said he'd only fight Froch at Wembley stadium, it was clear what a clown Ward was with his talking nonsense.

Bradley was never the number 1 guy at either 140 or 147. Khan was the best at 140 but Bradley ducked it. Remember the "But what if I lose" bullshlt he was speaking after mouthing off beforehand? Sorry, but this is just crazy. Froch has the superior resume. It's not even up for debate.

I disagree with pretty much everything you’ve said here. Lol.

Taylor was done. He had just got destroyed by Pavlik twice at his own prime weight and was forced to move up. And even then Froch BARELY squeaked by him.

Johnson was 100 years old. And done. Please don’t try and polish up that victory. A win over Johnson does not make you a HOFer

Kessler was done. He didn’t look like he had any punch resistance in the fight with Froch. Get real dude.

Tommy fu**ing Hearns won legit titles at 147,154,160,168, and 175 lbs. how dare you bring him into this conversation to make a case for Carl Froch. I’m disgusted, and you should apologize to the Hearns family.

How the hell can Froch “offer” Ward a rematch, when Froch LOST THE FIRST FIGHT?!?! Not only did he clearly lose, but he lost to a one handed Andre Ward ?

Andre Ward won the super 6. Lucian Bute did not compete in the super 6. Ward is not a ducker. Please look at his career before spewing nonsense.

How do you move a fighter ahead of the fighter who handily beat him, just because the losing fighter fought someone else and won ?

I agree that Lucian Bute was a great win. But beating Lucian Bute does not make you a HOFer. And beating him doesn’t erase the fact that you lost to the guy that swept the super 6. Beat Kessler (who Froch initially lost to) and beat Froch himself. You don’t pass up that guy after winning 1 fight after that. GTFOH !


Like I said, Bradley and Khan were the top 2 fighters at the weight. And Khan took at least 1 L before Bradley left the division. And the loss he took was to Peterson, who Bradley clearly beat years prior.

Plus Bradley had multiple title reigns at 147. Bradley has a much better career, and resume than Carl Froch, and Bradley isn’t even a LOCK for the Hall.

Carl Froch is a lock for the BBBofC Hall of Fame. I would applaud his entrance. But sorry, a SINGLE division champion who has never been top in his division does not belong.

[JLC]

I see your point, but I've seen quite a few fighters go in who weren't the undisputed number one at their weight, providing they still mixed it with the best and had excellent careers.

I respect it. It is called the Hall of Fame, and not the Hall of Talent. So in that case, maybe Froch does deserve to get in off the backs of his popularity in his home country, combines with his resume and titles and being near the top of the division.

But even then, that’s a hard one for me. If you’re getting in off of fame, you need to be really famous, internationally, and not just at home. Gatti was a very famous PPV fighter. Even Hatton with his big US fights. Calzaghe (although he deserved entrance on resume alone) had some big big fights here before he hung them up. Idk man, I’m honestly just not for Froch getting in.

Kessler is probably the only guy he beat that has a chance to go to the Hall. And that’s not a given by any means. His resume just doesn’t cut the damn mustard for me.

[champion4ever]

A few of those names on that list are questionable. I don't see how they made the actual cut to be honest.

As I've stated earlier, the International Boxing Hall of Fame has lowered its bar in recent years. Now it seems just about anyone who has had a boxing career for more than ten years are an automatic lock for the fame.

I am not saying that many of them didn't have some very good wins on their resumes. However, when it comes down to overall achievement and merit a lot of those who were selected are dubious at best.

[True-Boxing-Fan]

did they change the time from 5 years retired to 3 years retired?

ok i see the rule was changed....so Floyd gets in next year

. The crowded field comes as a result of several changes to the voting criteria, including modern-day participants now only having to wait three years into retirement to make their way to the ballot as opposed to the previous rule of a minimum five-year waiting period.

Dang looks like Larry just got aroused and stiff.

Your whole boxing mind circulates around Floyd.

[apollocreed]

I respect it. It is called the Hall of Fame, and not the Hall of Talent. So in that case, maybe Froch does deserve to get in off the backs of his popularity in his home country, combines with his resume and titles and being near the top of the division.

But even then, that’s a hard one for me. If you’re getting in off of fame, you need to be really famous, internationally, and not just at home. Gatti was a very famous PPV fighter. Even Hatton with his big US fights. Calzaghe (although he deserved entrance on resume alone) had some big big fights here before he hung them up. Idk man, I’m honestly just not for Froch getting in.

Kessler is probably the only guy he beat that has a chance to go to the Hall. And that’s not a given by any means. His resume just doesn’t cut the damn mustard for me.

Hatton shouldn't be given a shout, Froch would be much more deserving.
Hatton's ony big win was Tyszu in his final fight.
Hatton should have lost to Collazo, beat a shot Castillo, Urango, Malignaggi who'd been beaten by Cotto.
Hatton didn't really have any big US wins.

Froch beat Taylor in the US, Johnson, Dirrell, Bute, Kessler, Pascal, Abraham and Groves twice. His resume is far better than Hatton's.

I'm not saying Froch should definitely be in, but I could see why he would go in. Not Hatton though.

Trinidad was schooled by Hopkins and Wright, and should have really lost to De la Hoya, but he got in.