Comments Thread For: Hopkins, Marquez Among Loaded First-Time Hall of Fame Ballot Entries

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Incorrect. He "won" the belt against his controversial fight with Pacquiao that everyone knows he lost. He defended it against Provodnikov and JMM before losing it to Pac in the rematch. Marquez, however, was coming off the biggest win of his career in the knockout of Manny. So there is your legit title and legit win right there. Bradley beat a SURE FIRE FIRST BALLOT HoFer coming DIRECTLY off the BIGGEST WIN OF HIS CAREER. Froch has ZERO wins against sure fire first ballot hall of famers. Zero. Now that that's settled... Again, Khan and Bradley were neck and neck, with Khan being number 1. Khan lost to Peterson. Bradley beat Peterson easily. Bradley was at one time the best fighter at 140 lbs.



I respect your stance here. I disagree, but won't argue with it. I saw what I saw. You saw what you saw.



LOL. Big difference. Firstly, Taylor almost beat Froch. Second, Taylor was coming off of TWO LOSSES to Kelly Pavlik (Fight with an even more shot Jeff Lacy in between). But I will admit, after Froch beat Taylor, and Abraham beat Taylor, JT did have a lot more fights and went undefeated for the remainder of his career. He beat future Champ Truax, won a title vs Sam Soliman, so some credit is due there. Having said that, most of the entire planet felt Taylor was in no condition to fight. His mind had deteriorated to the point where he was shooting at his family members, and at kids parades, so despite those accomplishments, I am going to stick with my original opinion that the man was done. Froch did his part to finish the job for sure, so credit to him, but c'mon. You know he was damaged goods going into that fight.

JMM on the other hand had 1 more fight, albeit against a just as shot Mike Alvarado. Then Marquez retired. He still looked capable. No one was concerned for Marquez health. He just retired. Didnt look like ***** for the rest of his career or anything, he just called it a day. And now he is going to be inducted (first ballot) into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. Well deserved to him.




Froch certainly won legit titles! Never said he didn't and if that is how it came off, then my apologies. He was a true champ

A close fight is a close fight. Many folks think Dirrell beat Froch. I don't see either of those fights as robberies. I do see Bradley v Pac I as a robbery though. I am an honest man, and I call it like I see it.




Fine. He lost to a two-handed Ward. A difinitive loss. That's boxing. Fight wasnt close. Wasn't really all that competitive or compelling or entertaining, so my personal opinion? No need for a rematch. Also, my personal opinion, not sure what Ward could have experienced in that fight to make him "afraid" to rematch Froch. Like I said, it wasn't really that competitive. Sure Froch won rounds, but what pain was he inflicting on Ward? Remind me what real trouble he gave Andre ? I mean, Ward fought Kovalev twice. So to say he was scared of Froch, a guy he easily beat with one.. i mean.. two hands is kind of silly.



I think I remember this actually. When JT got ruled ineligible Bute was offered entry. I don't remember the contestants refusing him, but not saying it didn't happen. I just dont remember. And you are probably right, they didnt invite him to begin with, and for some reason put JT in. Not sure how that falls on Ward though. I mean, Kessler was clearly the favorite fighter coming in to the tourney. So if he was willing to mix with Mikkel, why not Bute? I dont buy Ward being scared, or having any say so of the initial contestants.



This is just an outright lie. Bute was never rated higher than Ward at any point after the Super 6's conclusion. Never. Ward was crowned Ring champ as well as WBC/ WBA when he beat Froch to end the tournament. He fought and beat Kessler, Froch, Abraham, and for grins Sakio Bika in that tournament. Literally ALL of the top fighters except Bute. WHO DID BUTE FIGHT TO EARN THE NUMBER 1 SPOT????? I have no idea who he even beat for his title in the first place, and he didnt make ANY meaningful defenses outside of Edison Miranda. And while were talking robberies, please lets not forget that Librado Andrade was ROBBED by the ref in his first fight with Bute. Get real man... Ward was Ring Champ at 168, and he won it by fighting Froch.




He didnt call him a b****. He told him "grow some balls, bro". I watch boxing my friend. I am aware. Regardless, they didnt fight, and Khan got beat by Peterson, AND Garcia. He wasnt number one anymore, and thats that.



Again, you are right. My mistake. Still doesnt change the fact that he was shot, and people were legit concerned about his health and safety. But, my mistake.

If Bradley didn't win the belt legitimately against Pac, then he wasn't a real champ. End of story. Having the belt against Prov and Marquez doesn't make you a champ. Marquez would never have fought Pac again to get the belt off him, and Prov would have been stripped very badly. You need to beat a legit champ. Bradley isn't. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

Marquez was coming off a beating from Pac and only 1 punch away from being wrecked. Apart from the KD, Pac dominated. It was a punch of hope, nothing else.

You're painfully deluded thinking a win over a 40 years old finished fighter is better than beating a very good prime fighter. maybe you're so deluded you think wins over Roy Jones are great for Maccarinelli and green. Haha.

How could Khan and Bradley be neck and neck if one was the number 1 with the other being number 2? You clearly fail to understand the meaning of "Neck and neck". It however doesn't surprise me reading the nonsense you've written.

Bradley was never number 1 at 140. Khan beat Peterson but was ripped off on the cards. Peterson was also on drugs. But you claim this to be legit? Just stop this nonsense. How you can defend such corruption is grotesque. But hey, you need to for your bullshlt argument. That's dishonesty and a lack of character in doing so. Bradley was never a legit number 1 at 140. The same way it wasn't a legit draw with Chavez/Whittaker.

You should also check out the comments for the Alexander/Kotelnik fight on YT. Check this site as well. Nearly all called it a robbery. You just don't know how to score a fight properly. Bradley wasn't a legit unified champ at 140. The same as him not being legit at 147.

You claim Taylor not winning after losses to Pavlik shows he was nothing. I do the same with Marquez to show you how ridiculous you are, and you say there's a big difference? This is nothing but you making excuses after I cornered you. This is irrelevant. So Froch having a tough fight against Taylor shows Taylor is shot, but Marquez getting dominated shows he isn't? That's your pathetic logic? Marquez isn't 53 years old like Johnson supposedly was? The sheer hypocrisy is off the scale embarrassing. You then claim beating Soliman for the title is actually a negative instead of a positive. Being completely shot at that point and winning is much better than doing so in your prime. You're not supposed to win titles when shot. But you're trying to write it off because fans were afraid of his health? Have you actually heard yourself? You're not right in the head. I already knew that but I thought i'd give you a chance.

You believe the Taylor that Froch beat, is the same as the one who fought Truax and Soliman? F3ck me, you're too typically American. Ahh, what a shame. Different day, same f3cking madness. And doesn't even realise it. Haha.

Taylor was the favourite going into the Froch fight. Americans were claiming Froch was going to get destroyed. Only after losing did they come out with bullshlt like they always do by trying to cast him off as shot. Not a single person was concerned for his health at this point. Not until years later.

Taylor looked capable when fighting Abraham straight after the Froch fight. He was just too cautious. But he made it close until the KO. Had it been the version that fought Froch and let loose, he'd have beaten Abraham with no problems at all.

Marquez looked capable against a badly shot Alvarado? he dropped Marquez. That isn't even close to being the same as looking capable against a prime fighter while being away in Abraham. Had it been a good world class fighter, Marquez would have been dominated with ease. There's a reason why he fought a shot bum. Man, your logic is back to front. You say the opposite of logical. Can you not see this madness?

Ward was afraid of the rematch being away from home. Ward knew he couldn't cheat without his own refs.

Can you prove Froch didn't cause Ward any pain? But pain isn't the reason to have a rematch or not. Sorry, but you're just making all this up as you go along.

You claimed I was spewing nonsense in Ward ducking Bute twice, but now you "Remember"? Hahahaha. Sure you do. But Ward wasn't scared? Even though he cried that he'd leave the tournament if Bute was allowed in? Then ducked again after the tournament in exactly the way I said a few pages back? Your excuses make no f3cking sense. None of this bullshlt does.

Bute was ranked the best by many, but not Ring Mag. Besides, ward should have been DQ'd against Kessler so wasn't the true number 1. Corruption is only accepted by the corrupt and dishonest. So well done on that one.

Khan called Bradley a b1tch to make him look up. That's when Khan asked him to grow some balls. Bradley then put his head down and walked.

I'll leave this now as it's clearly a waste of my time. You've chopped and changed so many times my head is in a spin. The hypocrisy is just too much. You're extremely illogical. You don't know what you're talking about, Plus you keep on claiming illegitimate nonsense has value.

Bye.