Wilders honourable loyalty to Showtime.

[DaNeutral.]

Why did Al Haymon advise Wilder to NOT take those fights? And why did Al Haymon or Shirley Winkle not set upon creating a counter offer? If they turn down an offer and refuse to counter it what other conclusions can we come to other than they clearly did not want that fight?

[sicko]

Ive never said they dont know what they are doing. They know exactly what they are doing, they are ducking Anthony joshua. The PBC and Showtime or Fox are different things.

If you take all the money out of the equation what are we left with? Wilder turning down fights with Joshua.

Based on your threads and post...yeah I do believe you're that f#cking ****** to think it is strictly about AJ and not about the Verbiage of the Contract and what was in that contract...A Contract YOU/WE did not get to see or read

It had ZERO to do with AJ as far as turning down the Deal...it was clearly a BAD DEAL and again based on how the Ruiz rematch played out I would say yeah Wilder Dodged a Bullet for sure. Yeah for us, absolute we would jump as signing for at Flat $20 Million with no hesitation or second thought. However, again when you're dealing with Experienced guys like Haymon and Finkle who are not impressed by that number and they know how much money a big boxing event can really generated...$20 Million flat will not impress them at all

But hey...never mind commons sense right, for you it is about "Wilder Is Afraid Of AJ" that Narrative is what you want to believe

This goes BEYOND just the match up itself IN THE RING!

[DaNeutral.]

Based on your threads and post...yeah I do believe you're that f#cking ****** to think it is strictly about AJ and not about the Verbiage of the Contract and what was in that contract...A Contract YOU/WE did not get to see or read

It had ZERO to do with AJ as far as turning down the Deal...it was clearly a BAD DEAL and again based on how the Ruiz rematch played out I would say yeah Wilder Dodged a Bullet for sure. Yeah for us, absolute we would jump as signing for at Flat $20 Million with no hesitation or second thought. However, again when you're dealing with Experienced guys like Haymon and Finkle who are not impressed by that number and they know how much money a big boxing event can really generated...$20 Million flat will not impress them at all

But hey...never mind commons sense right, for you it is about "Wilder Is Afraid Of AJ" that Narrative is what you want to believe

This goes BEYOND just the match up itself IN THE RING!

I remember exactly what they said about the DAZN offer, they wanted to be told what Joshua was earning and the fight makes more money on PPV. Why did they not counter the DAZN offer with an offer to put the fight on PPV? Why did they then talk about being able to fill Wilders calendar with in house fights and just walk away from a fight they claimed they wanted?

Its all good and fine calling me ****** but id rather you spent your energy telling me why they didnt even bother to counter offer something they claimed they would make more money doing and it was about the money cuz they said so. Or do both, tell me why they just walked off with no interest in making that fight AND call me ******. But dont just call me ****** and ignore what im even typing cuz that gives me the impression you have not got a valid or acceptable response to it.

[sicko]

I remember exactly what they said about the DAZN offer, they wanted to be told what Joshua was earning and the fight makes more money on PPV. Why did they not counter the DAZN offer with an offer to put the fight on PPV? Why did they then talk about being able to fill Wilders calendar with in house fights and just walk away from a fight they claimed they wanted?

Its all good and fine calling me ****** but id rather you spent your energy telling me why they didnt even bother to counter offer something they claimed they would make more money doing and it was about the money cuz they said so. Or do both, tell me why they just walked off with no interest in making that fight AND call me ******. But dont just call me ****** and ignore what im even typing cuz that gives me the impression you have not got a valid or acceptable response to it.

Didn't they make the first offer of $50 Million to AJ...Oh Right "They" Told It That Wasn't Real Right

[DaNeutral.]

Didn't they make the first offer of $50 Million to AJ...Oh Right "They" Told It That Wasn't Real Right

OK, thank you for your response.

[_Rexy_]

Is this like Joshua's loyalty to his UK fans by making sure the Ruiz rematch is at Wembley?

[kafkod]

They think we forget, they think we are like the casuals who dont take too much interest and who are prepared to read the loudest headline lies. They think when enough time has passed they can lie about the facts cuz we wont of remembered what was said or offered. We we dont forget. This is the internet and everything stays there.

How many excuses for Wilder's ducking have those morons come up with now?

As many as Wilder himself had for getting schooled by Fury?

"Deontay would have signed to fight AJ on DAZN, but he couldn't pick up his pen cus Eddie Hearn had covered it with baby oil .."

[DaNeutral.]

Is this like Joshua's loyalty to his UK fans by making sure the Ruiz rematch is at Wembley?

No, its nothing like that. Thats not even remotely similar. I see no Wilder or PBC fans want to bother with this one, just skirt around it with smarmy comments that dont really add anything.

[Big dawg lani]

Now if someone makes a thread about the 50 mil offer they either gonna say it was fake or Complain about counting aj money but I swear every other thread is about wilders pockets he’s not hurting .. so why do people care. It’s sad im 23 I come here too read history of boxing or just intellectual conversations about boxing . But no it’s a bunch of grown men on here talking about the same mans money day and night.. and ps no one is in this thread because the past 2 years all you UK mofos love too talk about is money but not aj losing too the second coming of butterbean lls

[Phenom]

Why did Al Haymon advise Wilder to NOT take those fights? And why did Al Haymon or Shirley Winkle not set upon creating a counter offer? If they turn down an offer and refuse to counter it what other conclusions can we come to other than they clearly did not want that fight?

You want them to counter who? They already offered AJ more than what DAZN offered Wilder which was 4 fight deal with 20M guaranteed according to Chris Mannix meaning only the Breazeale purse was guaranteed and if Wilder wins than another 40M opens up for the first AJ fight

That 40M would never materialized because AJ got knocked the **** out and DAZN never actually got the chance to make an offer for direct match for Wilder v AJ