Wilders honourable loyalty to Showtime.

[DaNeutral.]

Deontay Wilder turned down 100 million Dollars and the fight he wanted the most, all of us wanted the most, the Joshua fight and he did it out of loyalty to Stephen Espinoza and Showtime. This isnt BS he actually made it very clear by saying it pretty much word for word how i put it. He talked about how Stephen and Showtime were there for him and have got him to where he is today and so he feels obligated to repay their investment in him with some loyalty to them. Seemed a bit crazy to me to turn down so much money and turn down the undisputed fight out of loyalty to a network but at the same time i found something quite heart warming and honourable about it.

YET 1 FIGHT LATER he is binning them off for a Fox PPV? Espinoza over paid Wilder big time in the Breazeale fight because of what DAZN offered and it was still only half of the new network offer and claimed that he was happy to take a financial hit to repay Wilder for his loyalty. But Wilder v Ortiz 2 is going to be on FOX PPV. Espinoza and Showtime invested in Wilder in the Breazeale fight to keep him loyal to them.

Some loyalty, he turned down AJ and 100 million out of loyalty then 1 fight later forgot all about that loyalty. The more i read, the more i hear the more it becomes clear that Wilder has ducked Anthony Joshua.

Loyalty my ass. DUCK more like. There is clearly no loyalty towards Espinoza or Showtime. I keep saying this over and over, Team Wilder, the PBC, the LDBC all keep coming out with excuses as to why Wilder cant take the Joshua fight but each and every time it is only a matter of time before everything that has been said by Team Wilder, PBC and LDBC is proven wrong, time and time and time again. Time always uncovers their lies and BS excuses.

[Thuglife Nelo]

The business side of boxing is very simple. Promoters, foremost, have to be Pro-contractor since the network is providing a platform for them. The networks are the biggest players. Without a proper platform your business is out of luck. Haymon knows that Espinoza and Fox knew the competition for hosting boxing was very heavy in 2018 with the rise of DAZN accelerating is brand. Basically with Wilder fighting on DAZN helps brand it’s business. This is how insecure it’s competitors are/were including ESPN-Fury.

To Wilder’s credit, he himself was salivating for the DAZN pay. Remember he told everyone that his leave of absence would be temporary. This is because like most PBc fighters, they’re free to fight anywhere.

The problem is that Haymon has to explain his control or loyalty to the networks heads or else Showtime or Fox could shut out PBC.

So, Wilder must have been given some non-disclosed pay from external sources. Wilder knows there’s always a risk in winning fights. Most of us know the Ortiz PPV rematch doesn’t equate to the DAZN pay or highway to Heaven if he were really confident in beating Joshua or Breazeale on a different platforms

But the LDBC will tell you differently... now that Ruiz Jr. somewhat affected the whole plan that industry wanted, the best thing Wilder got going is to beg Hearn or get the Ruiz Jr. fight sooner than later.

[DaNeutral.]

The thing that always confused me was where as other networks give contracts to fighters to fight on that network Showtime gave the contract to Al Haymon, an advisor. So how is he supposed to advise his fighters to make the best moves when at the same time he is contracted and paid to ensure fighters fight on Showtime? Never seemed right to me. Im not saying the fighters dont get paid i just wonder how honest Al Haymons advice is considering he has his own obligations.

[Ray*]

He was advised not to take the DAZN offer, showtime paid him less than what DAZN offered him for the Breazeale fight, and if FOX are going to offer him more for the Ortiz rematch with a lot more homes then why not? This is business/prizefighting. So I don’t blame him, especially when he looks at Spence and see him doing more views and been seen by more people on FOX than him a heavyweight with a KO punch.

[Thuglife Nelo]

The thing that always confused me was where as other networks give contracts to fighters to fight on that network Showtime gave the contract to Al Haymon, an advisor. So how is he supposed to advise his fighters to make the best moves when at the same time he is contracted and paid to ensure fighters fight on Showtime? Never seemed right to me. Im not saying the fighters dont get paid i just wonder how honest Al Haymons advice is considering he has his own obligations.

Unfortunately Wilder is weak minded. He let Haymon get into his head. Wilder should’ve prioritized in legacy and his family with the DAZN pay and giving the fans the fight he wants. All this insecurity from fans about locations, judges, possibly PEDS. Thing is Haymon would protect Wilder in all these situations so Wilder either chickened out in not betting on himself.

In theory Wilder is his own boss. I guess he empathizes for Haymon losing credits should the worst have happened that Showtime or Fox would’ve been angry at Haymon for letting Wilder cross over. Keep in mind, these initial pays for fighters on DAZN were gems. These other networks have the money, but they’re not investing in like DAZN. For example Showtime would think only Mayweather was of such value, not a Heavyweight... funny isn’t? Showtime rather invest in shows...

WAR DAZN!

[DaNeutral.]

He was advised not to take the DAZN offer, showtime paid him less than what DAZN offered him for the Breazeale fight, and if FOX are going to offer him more for the Ortiz rematch with a lot more homes then why not? This is business/prizefighting. So I don’t blame him, especially when he looks at Spence and see him doing more views and been seen by more people on FOX than him a heavyweight with a KO punch.

I dont blame him. If fox is paying more than showtime go to fox. But DAZN was paying more than showtime when it came to the big undisputed Joshua clash after the breazeale fight and he went with showtime for less money.

So he couldn't take the joshua fight out of loyalty but now just 1 fight later there is no loyalty. So that loyalty excuse was a 1 fight thing?

I wouldn't mind his excuses to not fight Joshua if those excuses were not proven to be BS within months of him making those excuses.

[Ray*]

I dont blame him. If fox is paying more than showtime go to fox. But DAZN was paying more than showtime when it came to the big undisputed Joshua clash after the breazeale fight and he went with showtime for less money.

So he couldn't take the joshua fight out of loyalty but now just 1 fight later there is no loyalty. So that loyalty excuse was a 1 fight thing?

I wouldn't mind his excuses to not fight Joshua if those excuses were not proven to be BS within months of him making those excuses.

Politics, I don’t think he was allowed to fight Joshua by the PBC, just in case he loses, then the belt is on the other side. He is basically a slave to them. It’s the same reason he turned down career high paydays to fight Whyte.

[BangEM]

Was it about loyalty or he’s just a dummy ******** for more and is partly scared of getting knocked out cold by AJ which is duck? Once you listen to his interview after the Breazeale fight and how he kept talking about risking his life in the ring (first time I’ve ever heard Wilder talk about risking his life) and generational wealth, you should know it’s due to the latter. Also, when you look at how he talks about it’s not about money, then brags about things he doesn’t have and say he wants generational wealth - you should know the type of guy he’s. Funny how he wants unification urgently now because he thinks Ruiz is going to beat AJ. But in May, he was talking about his next 3 fights and no mention of unification.

If it were about loyalty and Showtime paid him the fake &20million (I doubt they paid him more than $5million), he won’t take the Ortiz fight to FOX. FOX aren’t gonna pay him more than $3million guaranteed for the fight and he would’ve to make the rest on PPV. And I doubt the fight would do £200k buys, thus putting his total earnings at about $5million for the fight, lol.

As a former serial gambler - I just had to laugh at Wilder and his team. I remember when he said: they first offered me $12.5m, then it went up to $15m and within a year it’s $100m. If I were to wait for another year, it would only get bigger, lol. It’s just basically like taking £50 to the bookies to play slot or roulette. Get there, £50 turned £200 then to £500. Rather than take it and run since no one wins against the bookies - you would think you can double the £500 until it takes all the money and your life savings, lol. Once you gamble and get lucky once or twice - you take the money, run and never look back. Wilder and his team were just too dumb to see that. I believe he thought the fight got bigger because of him, not knowing it was because of AJ’s rising profile and perceived invincibility by a lot of casuals. And the US vs UK narrative/rivalry. However, now that AJ’s invincibility is gone albeit his reach expanded - he’ll never be able to command the same money and I doubt AJ is interested in fighting him until 2021 (he’s in no rush anymore since he’ll make his money regardless unless he wants to do Wilder a favour which I doubt).

Wilder needs to take his L and shut up. Based on how the HW division looks right now - I won’t be surprised if he gets sparked out by his next opponent and he’s out of ring for a while and not able to take the rematch. He missed a big opportunity and even if Ruiz wins in Dec, Wilder vs Ruiz will never generate more than $40million (I doubt it would generate more than $30m tbh) to split, with Ruiz as the A-side taking 60% of the split.

[Outwest Exp 355]

I love how you guys leave out the part where it’s a 4 fight deal.

[BangEM]

I love how you guys leave out the part where it’s a 4 fight deal.

The other two fights were added to sweeten the deal. He could’ve negotiated just two AJ fights for a guaranteed $100million with add ons if they go past certain number of subscribers and DAZN would’ve been very generous to him.

He needs to pray Ruiz wins because if AJ wins, to get a fight with AJ - he would’ve to beg and accept anything he’s offered. The Fury safety blanket is gone - Fury ain’t fighting him. Fury is out for at least a year and he’s definitely not fighting Wilder any time soon.

Only Wilder can be loyal to Showtime and miss out on tens of millions, then run to FOX for extra $1million. LMAO.