How hard is it to accept when your favorite ducks another fighter?

[AllEyesOpen]

As much as I argue with Charlie... I admit he is very much a BOXING fan. There is no rule he has to like Floyd and therefore he is free to criticize Floyd for not making the best possible fights. Face it Floyd-Baldomir isn't the best available fight and I love Floyd. Sure it will be nice for him to become a recognized champ at 147 and imo the fight with Margarito will be more valuable down the road. But Charlie feels Margarito is the most dangerous fight for Floyd, even more than DLH or Mosley. And that is a perfectly acceptable opinion. I don't happen to agree but I can respect that Charlie has watched Margarito and Floyd a lot and sees something I don't. If we all agreed with each other all of the time, this would be the most boring site ever.

Also amagnin, I agree that's I'd rather see him fight Margarito then Baldomir, but if he can rope Mosley in then I'd rather see that fight, & I have no problem with him moving up to 154 & fighting Spinks.If your trying to get a fight against the p4p best undefeated fighter in the world & you don't even have half the status(& haven't fought the best in your division) then you should take the fight on their date & train your heart out. I honestly don't think Margarito has much to do with it, I think Arum wants to call the shots, which isn't gonna happen.

[charlie31]

Its hard for me to defend his position because I don't agree with it but he has facts to support his point. Floyd hasn't fought elite competition in 3 years period. I chalk it up to necessary mandatories, money and exposure (Gatti), and other people's mistakes (Judah). But bottom line is that he hasn't fought elite competition. I criticize Margarito for not having a great resume and fighting guys like Gomez and Cintron but they weren't coming off of losses like Judah and Mitchell. Furthermore, 8 million guaranteed is a lot of money, more money than Floyd has ever made. So it is not ridiculous to think that he is turning down the money because he is at least a little bit afraid (or he thinks the risk outweighs the reward). Any way you cut it, it CAN BE ARGUED that Floyd is ducking. I respect Charlie's opinion.

thank you

AND i never bashed Floyd

he is the most naturaly gifted fighter ive seen fight in a long time

i said he was Ducking mARG

IMO he is...

[amagnin]

Also amagnin, I agree that's I'd rather see him fight Margarito then Baldomir, but if he can rope Mosley in then I'd rather see that fight, & I have no problem with him moving up to 154 & fighting Spinks.If your trying to get a fight against the p4p best undefeated fighter in the world & you don't even have half the status(& haven't fought the best in your division) then you should take the fight on their date & train your heart out. I honestly don't think Margarito has much to do with it, I think Arum wants to call the shots, which isn't gonna happen.

I would have a big problem with him moving up to fight Spinks. Yes Spinks technically has a better resume than Margarito but only because he was trotted out as a sacraficial lamb to Mayorga and happened to beat him. On the other hand if Mayorga's handlers had done a little research they would have seen that Spinks was the type of guy that would give him fits. Forgetting about resumes, 154 is just not a good weight for Floyd. He is already maxed out at 147. Spinks isn't even a good opponent as a warm up for Oscar because Spinks punches so light. It would be a boring fight on top of everything as Spinks would turn it into a track meet. Forget about 5 titles in 5 divisions and let Floyd finish his business. He has yet to become the true champ at 140 or 147 so why move up?

[AllEyesOpen]

I would have a big problem with him moving up to fight Spinks. Yes Spinks technically has a better resume than Margarito but only because he was trotted out as a sacraficial lamb to Mayorga and happened to beat him. On the other hand if Mayorga's handlers had done a little research they would have seen that Spinks was the type of guy that would give him fits. Forgetting about resumes, 154 is just not a good weight for Floyd. He is already maxed out at 147. Spinks isn't even a good opponent as a warm up for Oscar because Spinks punches so light. It would be a boring fight on top of everything as Spinks would turn it into a track meet. Forget about 5 titles in 5 divisions and let Floyd finish his business. He has yet to become the true champ at 140 or 147 so why move up?

Cause he'd have prospective fight with DLH & Wright at 154, sure I'd love to see become the 147 king, Which i think he could with ease, but if he could beat a former p4p king(DLH or Mosley) & the secone p4p fighter in the world(Winky) at 154(about 3 weight classes aboove his natural weight) he would be launched the p4p best to one of the p4p best of all time, Speaking in resume, legacy, & $$$ margarito would be a foot note in his career. Damn Amagnin you argue great points even if you might not agree with your previous post, but Charlie hasn't stated facts to support his point as well as you. I'm not insulting you personally Charlie, I just call'em like I see'em.

[cortdawg25]

I would have a big problem with him moving up to fight Spinks. Yes Spinks technically has a better resume than Margarito but only because he was trotted out as a sacraficial lamb to Mayorga and happened to beat him. On the other hand if Mayorga's handlers had done a little research they would have seen that Spinks was the type of guy that would give him fits. Forgetting about resumes, 154 is just not a good weight for Floyd. He is already maxed out at 147. Spinks isn't even a good opponent as a warm up for Oscar because Spinks punches so light. It would be a boring fight on top of everything as Spinks would turn it into a track meet. Forget about 5 titles in 5 divisions and let Floyd finish his business. He has yet to become the true champ at 140 or 147 so why move up?

Floyd can do whatever he wants to do! If he wants to move up and become a 5 time champ in 5 different weight classes, he will. And 147 aint going nowhere, and it looks like everyone at 140 goin to be at 147. So he'll take care of all that too. No matter if u think the fight will be boring or not, the bottom line is that Spinks got more to offer than margarito. And if baldomier decides to fight Hatton or Cotto, then it'll be Spinks. matter of fact, I dont care who it is, I want to see him fight again so people will quit talking about he maxed out and wasnt himself in the Zab fight. Zab might be the fastest in the sport, but Floyd had the quicker hands still in that fight. and then u say Spinks punches too soft, them soft punches kept Mayorga off his ass. Spinks wasnt good enough for a warm up for Oscar because he wanted to win for his comeback. if he would fought Spinks, he could just lossed and been outboxed. And that is the same reason why he want fight Floyd as well.

[amagnin]

Cause he'd have prospective fight with DLH & Wright at 154, sure I'd love to see become the 147 king, Which i think he could with ease, but if he could beat a former p4p king(DLH or Mosley) & the secone p4p fighter in the world(Winky) at 154(about 3 weight classes aboove his natural weight) he would be launched the p4p best to one of the p4p best of all time, Speaking in resume, legacy, & $$$ margarito would be a foot note in his career. Damn Amagnin you argue great points even if you might not agree with your previous post, but Charlie hasn't stated facts to support his point as well as you. I'm not insulting you personally Charlie, I just call'em like I see'em.

It would be a mistake for him to fight anybody but DLH at 154. DLH is not young anymore, has injuries, and started at a lower weight. Nonetheless it is still dangerous because Floyd will be slower and less powerful. If Floyd fights Winky at 154... he will lose decisively. Floyd's best advantage against Winky would be speed and ability to avoid his jab. But Winky will be taller and stronger than Floyd at 154 and his defense is pretty damn good. Floyd would be smart not to venture to 154, as his best weight is 140. Venturing to 147 is risky enough... 154 is asking for trouble.

[amagnin]

Floyd can do whatever he wants to do! If he wants to move up and become a 5 time champ in 5 different weight classes, he will. And 147 aint going nowhere, and it looks like everyone at 140 goin to be at 147. So he'll take care of all that too. No matter if u think the fight will be boring or not, the bottom line is that Spinks got more to offer than margarito. And if baldomier decides to fight Hatton or Cotto, then it'll be Spinks. matter of fact, I dont care who it is, I want to see him fight again so people will quit talking about he maxed out and wasnt himself in the Zab fight. Zab might be the fastest in the sport, but Floyd had the quicker hands still in that fight. and then u say Spinks punches too soft, them soft punches kept Mayorga off his ass. Spinks wasnt good enough for a warm up for Oscar because he wanted to win for his comeback. if he would fought Spinks, he could just lossed and been outboxed. And that is the same reason why he want fight Floyd as well.

You're right Floyd can do whatever he wants, but I don't have to like it. And if you really think that Spinks could beat DLH or that he ever hurt Mayorga you aren't watching carefully enough. Karmazin is a good fighter but nobody would mistake him for p4p elite and Spinks barely won the fight (and it was a draw on my card). Plus I can't respect any fighter that runs for the last round of a fight (and it wasn't like Winky who was sticking and moving, Spinks was straight up running).

[Deeznuts]

In almost every boxers career, they will get defeated at least once. So far the only time Mayweather came close to defeat was when he fought Castillo and he gave him a rematch and whipped him. Mayweather has been in the ring and beaten his opponents in style. Floyd will continue to be the people's champ as long as any other fighter can prove otherways. With that said as long as he keep whipping ass, the term "duck" will mean nothing.

[cortdawg25]

You're right Floyd can do whatever he wants, but I don't have to like it. And if you really think that Spinks could beat DLH or that he ever hurt Mayorga you aren't watching carefully enough. Karmazin is a good fighter but nobody would mistake him for p4p elite and Spinks barely won the fight (and it was a draw on my card). Plus I can't respect any fighter that runs for the last round of a fight (and it wasn't like Winky who was sticking and moving, Spinks was straight up running).

True Spinks was running in the Karmazin fight at the end, I think because a lack of condition. With that said, its not unfeasible to think he couldnt outbox delahoya for the same reasons u said earlier ( his injuries, him being older, and his ability to last 12 rounds) spinks runs and starts to lose momentum at the end of fights, but Delahoya might just be tired as hell too at the end of the fight which could allow Spinks to pull it out. Also, i never said Spinks hurt Mayorga, I was implying that he punches hard enough to stop Mayorga from just mopping him up. say what u want about Karmazin, but he beat Ouma, who beat Phillips. Bottom line, Spinks beat the man of 154 division!

[cortdawg25]

In almost every boxers career, they will get defeated at least once. So far the only time Mayweather came close to defeat was when he fought Castillo and he gave him a rematch and whipped him. Mayweather has been in the ring and beaten his opponents in style. Floyd will continue to be the people's champ as long as any other fighter can prove otherways. With that said as long as he keep whipping ass, the term "duck" will mean nothing.

Ive been trying to say just that all day