After Pacquiao Beats Spence and/or Crawford. Where would u rank him?

[IronDanHamza]

Why would he rather fight Spence than Crawford? Same risk of losing essentially but Spence is more of a hitman than TC

More favourable style.

We know he won't fight Crawford. He had ample opportunity to and didn't.

[HandsofIron]

Pacquiao is top ten, in the 6 - 8 range. If Pac beats Crawford or Spence, he's top 5 without a doubt.

[Roadblock]

I dont know anyone who is considered prime after a 2 year layoff due to injuries.

Go on..

Prime Thurman would stop Lopez not nearly get stopped, we dont know where he was at as in prime, but we all know he looked bad in the only fight he had in 2yrs.

But if Lopez was stopped by Thurman, Manny would not have fought him. Manny doesnt fight elite guys coming of spectacular wins, so many have an asterisk attached when Manny picks to fights them.

[Roadblock]

This is exactly why Floyd can't be compared to pac. Pac making astonishing achievements is a regular occurence. Floyd never has astonishing achievements.

lol its a fantasy thread and you say this is why Manny is better, what are you smoking .

Geeez youre not the sharpest tool in the shed are you.

[Boxing_1013]

Crawford is much harder to hit clean than Spence.

Errol is there to be hit and was tagged by Kell Brook several times.

People rsnt and rave about Errol sparring with Charlo bros but that literally does NOTHING to prepare for Manny. Mannys awkwardness and crafty veteran sneakiness will afford him several straight left hands.

We dont know how Spencer's chin will hold up. Hes never fought a world class fighter. Mikey Garcia is a world class LIGHTweight who he fought at WELTERweight.

Manny WILL touch Errol. It just depends on how Errol takes it and whether he can turn Errol the way he has so many in his career before him.

Crawford is a more dangerous fight because hes a technician and Manny is notoriously bad against elite technicians (Floyd, JMM) and Crawford is only now leaving his physical prime. Plus Crawford can stink the joint out and Manny seems to lose focus/rhythm on fights with low output

Yeah I mentioned that the threat of losing is similar vs TC or Spence...Spence was a great amateur as well so don't really see the logic/never have that TC is a far superior boxer...one could argue he is above Spence there but it isn't by much if at all...but my point wasn't that the risk of losing was greater vs Spence, but that the risk of getting demolished is greater.

I would say Brook was by far the best opponent Spence has been in with, even if he was a little damaged goods in that fight...and I would put Brook up pfp against any one person on TC's resume...TC overall has a more solid list but I don't really value it too much over the solid dominance vs good fighters that Spence has shown.

And also you mention Brook tagging Spence...TC was probably tagged worse by Gamboa...I mean any time you are in a fight against another decent fighter, you generally will have periods where you get touched..for the record I watched Spence-Brook and felt Spence was in control the whole way...never really understood the narrative that Brook was even or ahead before the injury.

And I like TC..think him vs Spence would be a pick em fight...but Spence is a lot bigger than Manny imo...that size will matter imo if they fight...TC is likely the smaller man vs Spence, but not small enough that he couldn't outbox him if he has the ability to do so...Manny imo is too small to do much of anything vs Spence, unless everything aligns in his favor...size is just too much.

Btw...who has TC ever faced that was a big puncher...and he certainly has never faced a decent puncher at 147...you could argue he has been carefully managed (like everyone is to some degree) to have never really been in there with a big puncher...not that there have been too many I can recall around those weight classes.

Bottomline...Spence is likely the best boxer TC will have ever faced, and will most certainly hit MUCH harder than anyone he has ever faced...TC is likely the best boxer Spence has ever faced, but he is almost certainly not the hardest puncher, by a long shot, that Spence has faced.

TC would not be the best boxer Manny ever faced...and if Manny performs similarly vs TC as he did vs Floyd, then he loses 8-4...Spence is by far probably the biggest hitter Manny has faced, and if he loses he may get absolutely smashed...he is just too small for Spence imo.

If Crawford can really beat Spence at 147, after starting at 130?...when Spence has always been a huge WW...I mean that would be really impressive as well.

[Boxing_1013]

Prime Thurman would stop Lopez not nearly get stopped, we dont know where he was at as in prime, but we all know he looked bad in the only fight he had in 2yrs.

But if Lopez was stopped by Thurman, Manny would not have fought him. Manny doesnt fight elite guys coming of spectacular wins, so many have an asterisk attached when Manny picks to fights them.

I agree that it was a case of catching a good name at the right time...but that's just what boxing/fight sports are for the most part...I mean idk if you are a Floyd guy but he made his living on that same approach for the last 10-15 years...just how it goes...and Thurman wasn't really shot, it is still a good win...especially after Manny's performance against Horn I wasn't expecting a good performance like that...but yeah it is fair to point out it was a case of catching a good name at the right time too.

[Boxing_1013]

More favourable style.

We know he won't fight Crawford. He had ample opportunity to and didn't.

Man idk about that lol...Spence could kill him, Crawford likely wins an 8-4 or 10-2 decision...also never really saw the reports that Manny didn't want that fight, but also never really followed it that closely.

[IronDanHamza]

Man idk about that lol...Spence could kill him, Crawford likely wins an 8-4 or 10-2 decision...also never really saw the reports that Manny didn't want that fight, but also never really followed it that closely.

What do you mean? He literally turned down Crawford to fight Jeff Horn.

[BKM-]

You might want go over that again, he certainly is not above Floyd in the numbers, meaning wins, money, titles, rounds, weights and measures, who when and what , and to top it off he shut Manny down and beat him as easily as he beat the current MW king.

When you state what is bigger challenges I bet you dont look at weights and measures, last 1-3 fights of the opponents before the fight etc etc .

Manny is more liked than Floyd and thats where its stops, Floyd wins easily everywhere other than in public popularity.

It's sad that with a 2006 join date you still have such a lack of boxing knowledge. Ranking greatness has always been simple and never about most of the things you mentioned like money(LOL) statistics with perfect numbers etc.

It's about who you beat, when you beat them and how. The more of this being accomplished in your career the greater you are, and Pacquiao has simply beaten greater level of fighters over a longer period of time and took a lot more risks in doing so. And that also answers your comment on why people like Manny more, it's because of those things but that's still irrelevant too in rankings.

[BKM-]

Pac has been kod 3 times. One of those ko losses he was almost killed. Floyd beat Pac. It's time that you change your pathetic avy. Nobody thinks that Pac is greater than Floyd except his fans.

Again, Pacquiao took chances and dared to be great. Floyd was all about protecting his perfect 0 and that's why his legacy suffered. Pac's less than handful of lapses in concentration in 71(!) professional fights spanning nearly 25 years aren't an argument against his legacy. In fact he is about as old school as it gets for a modern great, with his activity, longevity and not ducking challenges he gets a pass for losses just like other greats who had losses through their primes.

I think his record is astonishing considering the timespan and level of competition and how many times he went up in weight. He loses when he's somewhat green against an ATG Morales which he avenges twice, then 7 years later when he's no longer at his peak he gets robbed(according to vast majority of boxing) and later gets caught in a fight he was winning against another ATG who he's 2-1-1 against(should be 3-1 if it wasn't for the incorrect scorecard in the first fight). Years past his prime he gets robbed against Horn and loses to another ATG in a close fight, kudos to Floyd for that one.

I don't think Floyd would be unbeaten if he took the same chances in the fights he took and the way he fought. We've seen him badly hurt and almost lose on the scorecards several times. He never fullfilled his true potential like Pacquiao that's why he's not above him in ATG rankings.