Since DAZN launched, the PPV market has generated $130.1M

[Toffee]

It’s weird how DAZN fanboys claimed that it was going to end PPV, but can’t explain how or why the PPV market has been so successful since DAZN launched.

The PPV market has been successful? I thought lots of them were very disappointing?

In any case, measuring PPV buys isn't giving a comparison with DAZN.

No subscription service operates in the same way that you measure a PPV's success. They look at metrics like new subscribers, future customer value, churn rate etc. PPV is like buying a house - a one off transaction. A subscription is ongoing, like signing up for utilities.

These businesses have a value based on the subscribers in hand and the rate they are growing and losing people. They can forecast where those metrics can take them. They can adapt based on where they are performing well or otherwise.

Subscription is where it's at. Or at least where it will be at.

And it's all targeted at us, the consumers. How can any boxing fan think that's a bad idea

[LacedUp]

Fox is free bro it's like itv for you lot

Showtime and. HBO are premium tv you have to pay a monthly subscriptions to get it ESPN is cable TV it comes with your cable subscription at no additional cost

Sorry I meant free-to-air like ABC and whatever else they are called i.e not premium cable.

[LacedUp]

Clueless. Boxing has not always been a niche sport in the US.

Haymon was not sued by his investors. He was sued by 2 haters who went on to steal his idea after they got discovery and their lawsuits failed

Fox, the broadcaster, as part of their deal wants 4 PPV's a year from PBC. They make more money from PBC PPV'S than they did from the UFC PPV's.

Clueless.

He was sued by his investors. https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/5/2...ns-boxing-news

And how the flying *** does help me as a fan? You went from saying that boxing should be on Network TV and that would the saviour to now saying it's good that it's on premium cable and PPV.

Couldn't make this idiotic hypocrisy up.

And yes, boxing was ALWAYS a niche sport. Learn about it's history.

[QueensburyRules]

PPV Buys
Wilder vs Fury = 325k
Pacquiao vs Broner = 400k
Spence vs Garcia = 360k
Crawford vs Khan = 150k
Pacquiao vs Thurman = 500k

That’s a combined 1,735,000 buys and $130,107,650 generated. That’s not even counting the upcoming Spence vs. Porter, Wilder vs. Ortiz PPV’s.

DAZN doesn’t even have enough subscribers in the US to produce 25% of that. It’s time to admit that DAZN is a huge failure and they have done nothing to stop PPV.

- -Stokely Brokely busting his bank again!

[Kezzer]

DAZN is one year in. Let’s start with the critical, they had a slow start and didn’t sign as many Americans as what had originally planned when launched.

But the positives are they have expanded from purely matchroom to include the WBSS and Golden Boy promotion fights.

On top of that they do now have some real top class fighters - Canelo, Jacobs, Golovkin, Billy Joe, Joshua, Whyte, Andrade, Katie Taylor, Bivol, Parker, Hughie Fury, Chisora, Usyk, Haney, Farmer, Serrano, Sims Jnr.

Within one year that really is a hell of a roster and consider that only four of above was with matchroom (and therefore DAZN) when the original deal was announced.

I’m sitting in the uk loving their approach as to be quite frank I wouldn’t mind it in the hi - however I reap the benefits as I get the fights for free via my sky sports subscription so love it from that perspective.

I certainly don’t prefer paying ppv when I could be a subscription based model. There fights last quarter of the year are looking like the strongest of all the networks to be honest

[hmc87]

It’s weird how DAZN fanboys claimed that it was going to end PPV, but can’t explain how or why the PPV market has been so successful since DAZN launched.

Most "DAZN fanboys" probably want DAZN to succeed because it costs less. Nobody cares (aside from you) if PPV is successful or not.

As boxing fans we simply want to pay less.

[hmc87]

It's even weirder that you think it's the same product. Unless wait- you believe bellator and Ufc are the same product and also believe the NBA and the BBL to be the same product?! Then we have a serious issue here.

Canelo v Jacobs was as good of quality as any HBO or Showtime broadcast I've seen. Even better since it didnt have Jim Lampley or Larry Merchant tbh

[strykr619]

PPV Buys
Wilder vs Fury = 325k
Pacquiao vs Broner = 400k
Spence vs Garcia = 360k
Crawford vs Khan = 150k
Pacquiao vs Thurman = 500k

That’s a combined 1,735,000 buys and $130,107,650 generated. That’s not even counting the upcoming Spence vs. Porter, Wilder vs. Ortiz PPV’s.

DAZN doesn’t even have enough subscribers in the US to produce 25% of that. It’s time to admit that DAZN is a huge failure and they have done nothing to stop PPV.

You act like Boxing is DAZN's only revenue stream but what ever floats your boat, will be interesting to see once they get the NFL contract thou.

[jimisawesome]

You act like Boxing is DAZN's only revenue stream but what ever floats your boat, will be interesting to see once they get the NFL contract thou.

In the US, boxing is their only revenue stream. Yeah, they are not getting the Sunday ticket package. The NFL is not going with a service that at best has 700k US subscribers when they can continue with DirecTV/ATT, start their own OTT or go with Amazon or hell Apple might want in. Disney ESPN will get into the action too if it is affordable enough for dazn.

[jimisawesome]

It's growing. That's the only metric that a startup cares about.

This is not wrong in that this is all VC care about and what enough investors care about. But, it does not change the mess that it is to their balance sheet. Netflix incinerates money despite their 80 jillion subscribers. They continue to overpay dramatically for their content. An example the upcoming Irishman has a budget of 160-200 million this is more than any other gang film has ever made domestically.

Netflix was able to acquire millions of subscribers cheaply because of their dvd business. Amazon bundled their streaming service into their Prime service that already had tens of millions of users. No one knows what dazn is so their customer acquisition costs are going to be insane.

And let us not forget that Moviepass was adding subscribers.

And PPV doesn't 'generate' money. You pay it. I pay it. If I can watch boxing for less then I will, and certainly won't be celebrating that some networks are going to charge me more!

Great for you but bad for the sport. Yeah, you like paying less but you will still pay the 80 dollars if you had to. There is just not this silent fanbase of boxing fans that are willing to pay 20 dollars for a PPV (streaming) but not 80. If you are willing to spend 20 you are willing to spend 80.

DAZN is currently selling 160 dollars for 40 dollars. Great for those buying 160 but awful for the seller. But, also bad for the sport in the medium and long term due to the Moviepass effect. Moviepass killed the non event film. The movies you would have had to pay for with moviepass in order to guarantee a seat opening weekend are the only movies still doing business. If a movie is a walk up or the kind of movies that Moviepass worked on that market has been destroyed.