Andre Ward is insanely overrated

[MDPopescu]

Ward mastered all of the basic fundamentals and his instincts in the ring, his reactive ability, that was on par with Mayweather. A lot of the stuff people are disgusted by, that being the way Ward operates on the inside, well none of that stuff is new to the sport. The issue at hand was that inside fighting was/is such a dying art that everything Ward did up close was seen as dirty.

Kid, dear... if this represents "the dying art of inside fighting" then let me remind you: this never was permitted under the boxing rules and this never was "an art"... this simply is wrestling -- which is totally another sport)...

[Doctor_Tenma]

Kid, dear... if this represents "the dying art of inside fighting" then let me remind you: this never was permitted under the boxing rules and this never was "an art"... this simply is wrestling -- which is totally another sport)...

No it's an art because how many today know how to sneak in those short punches in close, utilizing their free hand? Ward would also keep his opponents turning whilst on the inside, never allowing them to get off. The issue is Ward's ability on the inside isn't highlight material and so people bitch about it.

Save me with your rules, it's hardly ever enforced and greats know how to buy enough time to get the refs off their back.

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Never loved/hated/really felt anything about him until the low blow ending of the Kovalev fight. That was so pathetic that I lost interest in boxing and got back into MMA for a couple years.

It's good when a fight angers you and you want to see more. But when it ends via blatant intentional fouling you just kinda shrug and look for something else to do with your time.

As for just beating European white guys... Those were the top guys above middleweight. Would you be more impressed if he strictly fought guys from within 2 states of him even if they were ranked #177? Some of that golden age 1970s ATG action.

[MDPopescu]

Ward mastered all of the basic fundamentals and his instincts in the ring, his reactive ability, that was on par with Mayweather. A lot of the stuff people are disgusted by, that being the way Ward operates on the inside, well none of that stuff is new to the sport. The issue at hand was that inside fighting was/is such a dying art that everything Ward did up close was seen as dirty.

Kid, dear... if this represents "the dying art of inside fighting" then let me remind you: this never was permitted under the boxing rules and this never was "an art"... this simply is wrestling -- which is totally another sport)...

No it's an art because how many today know how to sneak in those short punches in close, utilizing their free hand? Ward would also keep his opponents turning whilst on the inside, never allowing them to get off. The issue is Ward's ability on the inside isn't highlight material and so people bitch about it.

Save me with your rules, it's hardly ever enforced and greats know how to buy enough time to get the refs off their back.

... Kid, dear... you ask me to save you with "my" rules??? They aren't "my" rules... They simply are rules in (different) sports...

... In the image above, Ward is simply using a "technique" which is permitted in Wrestling, in MMA, and in Rugby Football... but never in boxing!!!...

... Take a walk, kid dear...

[Doctor_Tenma]

... Kid, dear... you ask me to save you with "my" rules??? They aren't "my" rules... They simply are rules in (different) sports...

... In the image above, Ward is simply using a "technique" which is permitted in Wrestling, in MMA, and in Rugby Football... but never in boxing!!!...

... Take a walk, kid dear...

There has always been a grappling aspect to boxing, that's never going to change and you keep ignoring all of my points. Saying kid or dear isn't helping your case at all, it's no wonder NSB is in the shitter.

[QueensburyRules]

He won an Olympic gold medal.

He won a tournament to crown the best fighter at 168 lbs.

He beat Chad Dawson when Dawson was the WBC light heavyweight champion of the world.

He folded Sergey Kovalev and ruined him mentally, even causing him to go to a monastery to try and find himself.

He tried fighting Golovkin who didn't want that smoke.

What more was he supposed to do?

- -Major league sissy, but at least he didn't bawl about it like Popkins and TUE 50-0

[alexguiness]

Low blows, rabbit punches and leading with the head were an integral part of Ward's style, he used them to break an opponents rhythm and make them hesitant.

It's sneaky and dishonest but this type of fighting is respected and admired within certain cultural communities.

[mlac]

No it's an art because how many today know how to sneak in those short punches in close, utilizing their free hand? Ward would also keep his opponents turning whilst on the inside, never allowing them to get off. The issue is Ward's ability on the inside isn't highlight material and so people bitch about it.

Save me with your rules, it's hardly ever enforced and greats know how to buy enough time to get the refs off their back.

excessive clinching is illegal, fouling is illegal, these were integral parts of Wards gameplan. acting like it was an 'art' is laughable, Ward didnt get away with it because he was so 'great' as u imply, he got away with it because he only ever fought with home advantage & referrees that let him get away with it.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Andre Ward made a slight mistake retiring when he did 'He should of challenged for the Cruiser-weight title vs Tony Bellew'.

[techliam]

ATG at 168

But the division only has a short history

At 175 he was beaten by Kovalev in most people’s eyes. I don’t think he was as good at the weight