Andre Ward is insanely overrated

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So basically you couldnt refute anything i said and want to move the goalposts to his amateur career, which like i said may as well be a different sport.

The gold medal is one of the notches on his belt that causes him to be rated highly. And he didn't need hometown refs or judges to win that medal.

That refutes exactly something that you said.

Limiting his entire body of work only to his pro career is something that you came up with on your own.

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After the Kov-Yarde fight, when he gave Yarde props for fighting in Russia...then he had the nerve to say that he never had that opportunity...lol..it's stuff like that why I just can't listen to anything he says...he is as Mobb Deep might say - 'a halfway crook' imo.

He had big money opportunities to fight Kessler again away/neutral, Froch again in the UK, Bute in Canada...but he didn't do it because he knew the judging and reffing would likely be different in a neutral or away site.

He was a tough smart fighter...I give him credit for that..but as far as boxing skills he could never really separate from Sakio Bika or Sullivan Barrera or even Darnell Boone...let alone Kovalev (who admittedly is great)...again Ward was a tough smart fighter but boxing skills wise he certainly benefited from being an American and fighting at home his whole career.

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The gold medal is one of the notches on his belt that causes him to be rated highly. And he didn't need hometown refs or judges to win that medal.

That refutes exactly something that you said.

Limiting his entire body of work only to his pro career is something that you came up with on your own.

Have you ever watched any of his amateur footage? Genuine question...I never really saw top level skills from Andre when he was in with good competition, so the fact that he was able to be an accomplished amateur has always been curious to me...amateurs can certainly be a bit of a popularity contest at times, especially if you are from the right country...but wasn't sure if you had seen any footage.

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There is a reason he retired all early he didn’t want to get exposed by all the killers that were coming up in the division.

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He won an Olympic gold medal.

He won a tournament to crown the best fighter at 168 lbs.

He beat Chad Dawson when Dawson was the WBC light heavyweight champion of the world.

He folded Sergey Kovalev and ruined him mentally, even causing him to go to a monastery to try and find himself.

He tried fighting Golovkin who didn't want that smoke.

What more was he supposed to do?

I mean...this is how you sound man...for GGG you could say

He won an Olympic silver medal

He was the consensus top MW, a premier division in boxing, in the world for close to a decade

He defended his title a record tying amount of times

He clearly beat Canelo Alvarez twice, yet due to political reasons did not get the nod in either fight

He tried fighting Andre Ward, who didn't want that smoke

What more was he supposed to do?

Lol...I don't 100% agree with some of that stuff...but it's more or less all true...people can spin things however they want man...take off the rose colored glasses sometimes and just be a fan...it's liberating

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Have you ever watched any of his amateur footage? Genuine question...I never really saw top level skills from Andre when he was in with good competition, so the fact that he was able to be an accomplished amateur has always been curious to me...amateurs can certainly be a bit of a popularity contest at times, especially if you are from the right country...but wasn't sure if you had seen any footage.

Of course I watched it. I watch the US Olympic Boxing Team during every Olympics.

He was the last one that we have had that was special.

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I mean...this is how you sound man...for GGG you could say

He won an Olympic silver medal

He was the consensus top MW, a premier division in boxing, in the world for close to a decade

He defended his title a record tying amount of times

He clearly beat Canelo Alvarez twice, yet due to political reasons did not get the nod in either fight

He tried fighting Andre Ward, who didn't want that smoke

What more was he supposed to do?

Lol...I don't 100% agree with some of that stuff...but it's more or less all true...people can spin things however they want man...take off the rose colored glasses sometimes and just be a fan...it's liberating

What you just said is not true, though.

Andre Ward DID want that smoke.

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hey he got his Ws by all means necessary

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Nah, this is a terrible narrative.
I used to browse these forums ages ago so you're not about to lie to these new comers.
Everybody back then admitted Ward fought everybody they just didn't like his fighting style.
Over time though he's just been lumped in with Floyd

Nah I disagree. Ward was amazing and Kovalev was his Floyd/Manny fight although a better comparison would be Manny/Marquez. Floyd and manny wasn’t close and they weren’t ring rivals- Floyd smoked him. Floyd and manny were career rivals. Big difference.
Ward’s problem is what someone above mentioned- he’s a liar and will say anything and belittle anyone as long as it suits him. His infamous “who is we?” Comes to mind.
He’s definitely an ATG. I’d say in the pass decade Lil g & Aj have been the biggest hype-jobs with Loma at 3rd. Lil g by a landslide is the biggest hype-Job. Then Aj. Loma is talented and different in the way that maybe he does achieve a certain status...but he hasn’t achieved it yet. At the height of loma hype racists said he was better than Ali and Floyd. Heck Racists & casuals said he’d beat Floyd. Lmao Everyone here remembers that if y’all have followed Boxing.

ward is many things. overrated isn't one of them.

True he was a elite talent, I think 90% of this forum doesnt know sht about boxing or what they are looking at.

Honestly idk how anyone could watch Ward fight and see elite skills when he was in there with other good fighters..it just wasn't there...I think some people want to hype him up because there weren't many Americans around those weights at the time Ward was around.

And as an American he was protected and promoted well...but saying he was legit when he fought all his fights at home...and someone like GGG or Loma are overhyped when they were ATG amateurs, and then as pros have proven their worth by getting uncontroversial stoppages, often times on the road, and never in their own backyard.

Just don't see how people can have those takes without having immense bias...almost have to tell yourself you aren't see what is actually happening.

i honestly think hes the most overrated boxer in the past decade.

Lost the first Kovalev fight and threw about 50 low blows in the second. No respect for the cheating S.O.B.

Good posts...

What makes him a fraud is he never hesitates to tell a lie as long as it serves him

He absolutely talks out of both sides of his mouth...it's unbelievable some of the stuff he says, if he didn't do it so often I would be shocked...he has always imo wanted to make himself out to be something that he wasn't.

And because he was rather protected his whole career he knows deep down that he has to try and get loose with the truth to create the narrative that he wants to be true...because unfortunately he wasn't a good enough boxer to really fulfill the legacy that he wanted/acts like is true.

You spin it an way you want. firstly you look like a clown by even mentioning the Chad Dawson fight,
He never fought without hometown advantage, hometown reffs letting him clinch, headbutt, lowblow at will.

He was beaten by kovalev in the first fight and every non fanboy boxing fan knows it.

His entire gameplan revolved around clinching and dirty tactics, which was called his fantastic 'inside game' by you and the other fanboys. which was potshot single jab, rush in with his head, clinch, mix in some elbows, headbutts and lowblows and rinse and repeat.

IF he fought outside of his hometown and for example fought Kessler and Kovalev in their backyards, thats 2 guaranteed L's right off the bat, how many 'accidental' headbutts were there in the kessler fight? 5? i mean thats just ridiculous. Ward literally headbutted his eye closed, you can make an argument the russians would of DQ'd him for multiple lowblows in the kovalev rematch as well.

Im not denying he was a good boxer, but he only fought with hometown reffs and judges for a VERY good reason.

Credit where credit is due, the froch win was a great win but for me the Kessler and kovalev fights have a MASSIVE asterisk next to them, and without them his resume looks very very thin.

Great post man...Dawson was getting KOed cold in sparring in the lead up to that fight...hard to really tout that one...the weight killed him as you said.

Of course I watched it. I watch the US Olympic Boxing Team during every Olympics.

He was the last one that we have had that was special.

How old are you?

What you just said is not true, though.

Andre Ward DID want that smoke.

Lol I guess people believe whatever they want man...imo the guy who was always injured/suing his promoter/in contract issues and sitting out...who mandated that he had 3 tune up fights before Kovalev...who never fought away from home or even really in a neutral site.

I mean I don't really see how anyone can say he was wanting that fight when at the time he was injured and said he needed fights to tune up...G said call me when you're ready...Ward tried to get some attention after G-Lemieux was announced by sending in a contract right after that fight...when everyone knew that Canelo-Cotto winner was next after Lemieux.

Ward was just trying to get some publicity and I guess try and rile up his fans and those who hate GGG...and I guess it worked..but yeah to say he really wanted that fight is crazy imo...he never really negotiated on even terms in his whole career while GGG more or less has shown to do so.

Ward would never fight anyone on relatively even terms because it is pretty clear that in neutral settings he would have a lot of trouble beating B class boxers...not hating on him I just watched a lot of his fights and anyone saying they saw great boxing skills from Dre...I mean what were you watching lol..idk I don't get it.

So yeah...saying you want a fight is completely different than actually wanting a fight on even terms...he could have fought Froch in the UK or Bute in Canada for BIG money..but never did...I wonder why...come on man, as your moniker says, wake up!! lol

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One of the dirtiest, wrestling, clinching, holding and hitting head butting boring, horrible to watch fighters ever. I am glad he is retired.