Is Alvarez's Resume Overrated?

[lolpz]

Easy explanation.

Overrated doesnt always mean bad especially in the context it's used. Most people thing Canelo has a very good resume, but it is overrated especially when people like you talk about it.

Please dude. Trying to say something like, "Cotto was in his prime " when he fought Canelo is the huge lie and completely discredits your own argument, hence overrated.

Cotto was not in his prime when he fought Canelo and Cotto was not a real middleweight. Cotto was a blown up welterweight who had careful matchmaking to get him that title. So much so he paid GGG step aside money so he could fight Canelo. What does that tell you?

Okay, you just discredited my entire argument by naming 1 out of 5 guys who possibly weren't in their prime, and not in their proper weight class.

Well Cotto's weight class was 154, Canelo fought him at 155. Cotto was also coming off some good wins and looking very strong under Roach. It's Miguel Cotto, and he was still an elite fighter. Even if he wasn't it's 1 guy.

Take that 1 guy away, 4 wins against top elite competition at 154 and 160. That's still better than probably any active fighter at the moment. On top of that, throw in his decent wins and impressive performances, no one else actively compares to his body of work as a whole.

If you are going to call his resume overrated, then call every other active fighter's resume overrated because his is better then all of theirs. Are you going to do that? Probably not, you are going to pin point Canelo because that's what being at the top warrants.

People like you nit pick at them the same way they did to Floyd and Andre Ward, the two previous guys with a body of work in their resume which was head and shoulders above everyone else's. This is history repeating itself.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Okay, you just discredited my entire argument by naming 1 out of 5 guys who possibly weren't in their prime, and not in their proper weight class.

Well Cotto's weight class was 154, Canelo fought him at 155. Cotto was also coming off some good wins and looking very strong under Roach. It's Miguel Cotto, and he was still an elite fighter. Even if he wasn't it's 1 guy.

Take that 1 guy away, 4 wins against top elite competition at 154 and 160. That's still better than probably any active fighter at the moment. On top of that, throw in his decent wins and impressive performances, no one else actively compares to his body of work as a whole.

If you are going to call his resume overrated, then call every other active fighter's resume overrated because his is better then all of theirs. Are you going to do that? Probably not, you are going to pin point Canelo because that's what being at the top warrants.

People like you nit pick at them the same way they did to Floyd and Andre Ward, the two previous guys with a body of work in their resume which was head and shoulders above everyone else's. This is history repeating itself.

First things first.

YOU discredited your own argument. Not me. If you actually read anything I wrote other than the **** you wanted to argue then you'd know this. I said overrated doesnt mean bad but you are clearly overrated his resume.

I think Canelo has a good resume but let's LETS NOT ACT LIKE COTTO WAS IN HIS PRIME AND FIGHTING AT 154 like you claim. The guy ducked GGG ffs for the chance to try to cherry pick Canelo just like Floyd.

And the head and shoulders thing. Canelo might have wins over some good opponents but let's not lie to ourselves again.

Trout, Lara, Jacobs, GGG, and Cotto

Those are the 5 guys you claim as top 5 guys right? Tell me how good he did against these guys?

4 controversial decisions. A good win against a good blown up welterweight. A solid but non exciting win over Jacobs.

Yeah hes good but he is NOT head and shoulders above his opponents based on those showings. Is he the best? Sure. But the way you and so many of his fans act with his resume he might as well have knocked everyone out and won easy 12 round landslide decisions against them.

Did he do that? No.

Near every fight was damn controversial. Look at his face after Lara? Dude straight up thought he lost. After GGG 1. Saved by a ludicrous 118-110 score card. GGG2 saved by the narrative in a very close competitive fight that you Canelo fans again, overrate his performance and was still controversial to the majority of fans.

Like come on dude.

When fans like you have to resort to **** like, oh, the narrative saves my hero (he won using mexican style) and you "create rules" to justify you means (let's compare faces) do you really believe the **** you say?

Canelo is a solid very good fighter, but **** like BOSSNELO. GODNELO. Lmfao. As a fan you're okay with that ****?

Is his resume among the best of active fighters? Sure. Could be 2nd best, but personally I dont rate him that high because #1, hes a diva and just like floyd is overrated, #2 hes not head and shoulders above his competition.

Take guys like Crawford. Lomachenko. Usyk. Or ****. Even Fury. Inoue.

All those guys might not have as strong as a resume but are head and shoulders above their competition.

Sure I'd love to see them challenged but when they do get challenged I dont have that feeling at the back of my mind that scores will be skewed in their favor or that they're only making business decisions.

Ya feel? Must be fun being a Canelo fan knowing that you will get favorable score cards huh?

[lolpz]

First things first.

YOU discredited your own argument. Not me. If you actually read anything I wrote other than the **** you wanted to argue then you'd know this. I said overrated doesnt mean bad but you are clearly overrated his resume.

I think Canelo has a good resume but let's LETS NOT ACT LIKE COTTO WAS IN HIS PRIME AND FIGHTING AT 154 like you claim. The guy ducked GGG ffs for the chance to try to cherry pick Canelo just like Floyd.

And the head and shoulders thing. Canelo might have wins over some good opponents but let's not lie to ourselves again.

Trout, Lara, Jacobs, GGG, and Cotto

Those are the 5 guys you claim as top 5 guys right? Tell me how good he did against these guys?

4 controversial decisions. A good win against a good blown up welterweight. A solid but non exciting win over Jacobs.

Yeah hes good but he is NOT head and shoulders above his opponents based on those showings. Is he the best? Sure. But the way you and so many of his fans act with his resume he might as well have knocked everyone out and won easy 12 round landslide decisions against them.

Did he do that? No.

Near every fight was damn controversial. Look at his face after Lara? Dude straight up thought he lost. After GGG 1. Saved by a ludicrous 118-110 score card. GGG2 saved by the narrative in a very close competitive fight that you Canelo fans again, overrate his performance and was still controversial to the majority of fans.

Like come on dude.

When fans like you have to resort to **** like, oh, the narrative saves my hero (he won using mexican style) and you "create rules" to justify you means (let's compare faces) do you really believe the **** you say?

Canelo is a solid very good fighter, but **** like BOSSNELO. GODNELO. Lmfao. As a fan you're okay with that ****?

Is his resume among the best of active fighters? Sure. Could be 2nd best, but personally I dont rate him that high because #1, hes a diva and just like floyd is overrated, #2 hes not head and shoulders above his competition.

Take guys like Crawford. Lomachenko. Usyk. Or ****. Even Fury. Inoue.

All those guys might not have as strong as a resume but are head and shoulders above their competition.

Sure I'd love to see them challenged but when they do get challenged I dont have that feeling at the back of my mind that scores will be skewed in their favor or that they're only making business decisions.

Ya feel? Must be fun being a Canelo fan knowing that you will get favorable score cards huh?

Nobody you mentioned has a better resume then Canelo. Give me 5 guys better then people on Canelo's resume on each of those guys you mentioned. Canelo and Cotto fought at 155, which is 1 pound over 154. Cotto outgrew 147 and moved up when he did, and had been at the weight for years when Canelo fought him there. 155lbs, the same weight he fought Angulo AND Lara at.

You can't be mad at Canelo for winning close decisions. When you fight the toughest opponents and fight 50/50 competitive fights like he has, they tend to be close. He has stepped up and more then enough people have agreed with the judges decisions, he never "robbed" anybody.

Out of everyone you mentioned though, Usyk has by far the best resume. He fought top ELITE crusierweights. Not just "the best in the division" in weak divisions where they were heavily favored in every fight such as Loma and Crawford. Canelo and Usyk's resume are much better then Crawford and Loma's but Loma's is decent. Crawford's is awful, doesn't even have top 3 resume in his own weight class.

[kidbazooka]

If his resume is overrated than every boxer boxing today’s resume must be pure garbage.

Except for Manny of course.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Nobody you mentioned has a better resume then Canelo. Give me 5 guys better then people on Canelo's resume on each of those guys you mentioned. Canelo and Cotto fought at 155, which is 1 pound over 154. Cotto outgrew 147 and moved up when he did, and had been at the weight for years when Canelo fought him there. 155lbs, the same weight he fought Angulo AND Lara at.

You can't be mad at Canelo for winning close decisions. When you fight the toughest opponents and fight 50/50 competitive fights like he has, they tend to be close. He has stepped up and more then enough people have agreed with the judges decisions, he never "robbed" anybody.

Out of everyone you mentioned though, Usyk has by far the best resume. He fought top ELITE crusierweights. Not just "the best in the division" in weak divisions where they were heavily favored in every fight such as Loma and Crawford. Canelo and Usyk's resume are much better then Crawford and Loma's but Loma's is decent. Crawford's is awful, doesn't even have top 3 resume in his own weight class.

Bro. How far down your throat is Canelos ****? Asking for a friend.

I would highly suggest you quit skimming what I write and quit trying to make a pathetic attempt at an argument when you have none.

You only use resume as a talking point because it fits your agenda. Let's talk about resumes real quick.

AJ had a better resume than Ruiz but got knocked the **** out.

Resumes only mean so much, but it's important to you solely because it fits your agenda.

GGG does not have the same resume as Canelo but even at age 36 and 37 was the same caliber fighter. Again. Resumes only mean so much.

Not once did I argue that Canelos resume is not good, nor did I ever say it wasn't top 5. Those again are ****ty ass talking points you need to fit your agenda. YOURE WELCOME TO QUOTE ANYWHERE I SAID SUCH good luck

And to the bold. What would suggest to you that I am mad that Canelo somehow is gifted close decisions? THAT is merely an observation. Please defend that 114-114 score card in Canelo/Mayweather please. EVEN better yet defend that 118-110 GGG score card. Deserved score cards right?

And to the part where you suggest that more than enough people agree with the judges decisions. Liar much? To blatantly lie fits your agenda perfect. I wouldn't expect anything less. You wanna bet that more people believed GGG beat Canelo the first time around? That is a fight NO ONE believes he won, only his most die hard fans and even THEY dont beleive he won all saying it was a draw.

And to your comment about tough competition. Please bro. You saying the MW division is tough defeats all you canelo fans own damn pathetic argument that the MW division is weak and that is the only reason why GGG is relevant. All of a sudden its tough because your boy isn't doing as well as other fighters in their own divisions.

So is GGG a hype job or is he any good? I'm confused here. Is the MW division he reigned over for half a decade strong or weak?

I guess the answer depends on what fits your agenda

P.s. the fighters I mentioned I never said all had resumes that were better than Canelo, but unlike him are head and shoulders above their peers.

While Crawford doesnt have a great resume hes not just unified but undisputed at 140. Even if it was a weak win, hes undisputed. Something that Canelo has repeated failed to do and lots of boxers have failed to do.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Marquez stopping Pacquiao ice cold is better than anything Canelo did.

[alexguiness]

Not overrated - but carefully constructed.

[Curtis Harper]

If his resume is overrated, everyone else's should be rated N/A.

Apply this question to any fighter and see what you get

[LaidOut]

This is the same guy who lost pretty much every round against Mayweather, right? Best of the best, no. Good? Yeah.

[LetOutTheCage]

He has a lot of great names on paper, but a lot of those guys where fought coming off of losses or towards the end of their career look at some of the top names on his resume:

Mosley - Lost to Mayweather, drew with Mora and Lost to Pac. Was showing clear signs that he was done at top level.

Lopez - Already had 4 losses at that point and his notable win was a shot Ortiz

Trout - Good win

Lara - A lot of people had Lara winning this

Cotto - On his way out

Khan - Lol

Chavez Jr - Lol

GGG - Had Canelo losing both fights (though second was a lot closer)

Jacobs - Good win, had it a draw but could see why Canelo just edged it.