PAC fought at 147lbs for the last 8yrs. JOE FRAIZER and MARCIANO were small in height also but they fought in HW div where there was no limit and men were 10 to 40 lbs bigger than them. PAC gets no pass because he fights in a division of 147 with a limit.
Pac could have fought at 140 the last 8 years but he dared to be great and fought the guys with way longer arms that were taller and took 4 world titles from the younger prime fighters!
he did it ONCE, with a much bigger guy who was a stud
Pac had like 8/9 CONSECUTIVE weight-affected fights.....
he was nick-named the catchweight king because of 143/144 manny-weight..... pulling the little guys up, and dragging the big guys down
they literally tried to win fights on the scale
there is NOTHING even remotely similar to Pac/Floyd in that respect
you just took ownership of the " biased " label that you attempted to stick on me
one of us is keeping it real, and one of us is not..... which I guess is why you attempted to insinuate that Floyd drained Marquez
I never said that Floyd drained Marquez, I said that he fought him at a CW and made a little guy move up from 135, facts
But since your arguments are meh, your strategy is to discredit my opinion with things that I never said in the first place.
You're just discrediting Pac resume instead of praising Floyd resume to make an argument.
You're just a toxic, negative individual.
I mean, your hating crusade in any Golovkin threads is beyond pathetic, GGG might be an overrated B fighter, like 80% modern boxing stars anyway
, but it is not worth of the 1000 negative posts that you wrote about him on this forum, it is borderline mental disease.
I would just understand if you were Dominic Wade posting on this forum. LOL
I never said that Floyd drained Marquez, I said that he fought him at a CW and made a little guy move up from 135, facts
But since your arguments are meh, your strategy is to discredit my opinion with things that I never said in the first place.
You're just discrediting Pac resume instead of praising Floyd resume to make an argument.
You're just a toxic, negative individual.
I mean, your hating crusade in any Golovkin threads is beyond pathetic, GGG might be an overrated B fighter, like 80% modern boxing stars anyway
, but it is not worth of the 1000 negative posts that you wrote about him on this forum, it is borderline mental disease.
I would just understand if you were Dominic Wade posting on this forum. LOL
you attempted to equate 152lb Canelo 1x, with manny-weight
you are just another silly pacstain..... seen it all before
silly pacstains should NEVER criticize other fighters for.....
1) catchweights
2) PED's
that is how we can tell a real boxing fan from a Pacquiao fan
you attempted to equate 152lb Canelo 1x, with manny-weight
you are just another silly pacstain..... seen it all before
silly pacstains should NEVER criticize other fighters for.....
1) catchweights
2) PED's
that is how we can tell a real boxing fan from a Pacquiao fan
Because real boxing fans accuse fighters of PEDS huh
even when they never tested positive unlike the Mosley, Roy, Toney, Ortiz, Berto and this not under VADA...
Until proven otherwise, Pac has been clean for his whole career, unlike a lot of stars of his era.
I'm a real boxing an I'm not hating on Floyd, I pointed Floyd CW just to expose your double standards.
And if we disqualify CW fights, we disqualify the Canelo wich is starting to look like Floyd's best win.
You can't having both ways mister double standards.
Morons like you act like Pac never got tested and has a pass to cheat...
Accusing people about things they never said or did.
That's how you argue, like a weak btch that you are.
because it only takes weak people to hate on a forum.
I guess it would be insane for me to say out loud... or even type quietly.... that the difference between Floyd and Pacquiao is certainly getting narrower and narrower as far as career accomplishments, right? I mean, would I be a hater just for pointing out the obvious? Pacquiao is still active, and is still writing his legacy. Floyds legacy has had the ink dry on it for about 4 years now (unless you are silly enough to actually count the McGregor side show, which I do not) after he beat Berto. I see Pac still with enough left in the tank to scale some serious mountains yet, and he has the chance to truly end his career with some accomplishments which would put him in rare air. The Floyd against Manny debate raises too much emotion. But level headed folks can accept 2 truths if they are open minded to some degree or another:
1) Mayweather deserves the nod at this point. Factoring in his wins early in his career and the common opponents, as well as the head to head victory he won nearly every round in, it is hard to put Pacquiao ahead of him if he were to hang up gloves today. It is not a huge distance between the two, but it is not hard to actually defend it.
2) The current crop of 147 opponents and opportunities out there for huge fights give Pacquiao the last word in careers. How he handles his business gives him the chance to pass Mayweather for an overall career. It would take some upsets, but it is a clear path if he wants that as a goal. If Pac is just padding the pocketbook, than he probably does not take the fights he needs. But it is there to be had if he risks it.
We talking about 147.
The thing is Mayweather is a better, greater 147 pounder than Manny will ever be.
Manny is far from a 147 pounder, dude has been a 130 pounder as a grown man.
Like bread said, no flyweight champ ever had success at 147, this is nuts, and that's what make Pacquiao different, and greater in some aspects than Floyd, Floyd is greater in other aspects.
Manny is fighting at 147 because that is where fame and the money are.
Otherwise he would have probably topped at 135, wich is already insane.
Because real boxing fans accuse fighters of PEDS huh
even when they never tested positive unlike the Mosley, Roy, Toney, Ortiz, Berto and this not under VADA...
Until proven otherwise, Pac has been clean for his whole career, unlike a lot of stars of his era.
I'm a real boxing an I'm not hating on Floyd, I pointed Floyd CW just to expose your double standards.
And if we disqualify CW fights, we disqualify the Canelo wich is starting to look like Floyd's best win.
You can't having both ways mister double standards.
Morons like you act like Pac never got tested and has a pass to cheat...
Accusing people about things they never said or did.
That's how you argue, like a weak btch that you are.
because it only takes weak people to hate on a forum.
REAL boxing fans..... keep it real
immediately after the second Marquez fight, Manny Steward stated that Pac should consider retiring..... he said that Manny looked shopworn and had been in too many wars.....
Manny then linked up with Alex Ariza
immediately following Pac's next fight against David Diaz, Steward was gushing with praise, saying that Manny was rejuvenated/revitalized, and looked like a different fighter
and NO, Steward was not throwing Manny under a bus, he was simply commenting on what he saw
what happened next..... ? here, let me remind you.....
Pac then skipped through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... increasing his speed/power and more than DOUBLING his punch output..... all while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf?
you know absolutely nothing about boxing if that does not seem su****ious to you
Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests
LMAO
keep looking the other way if you NEED to, but REAL fans know whats up
no way would you fcukboys be giving anyone else a free pass
to prove what an ignorant piece-of-shlt you are..... your main excuse is "Pac never tested positive"..... and yet, you are well-aware that Manny REFUSED to be tested for years
you happily forget about that, because you do not care when it comes to Pac
look at the way you morons acted when Canelo tested positive..... despite the fact that 4x independent experts ALL insisted that the positive result was likely due to accidental contamination, despite the fact that Canelo willingly cleared himself with a hair follicle test, and despite the fact that Canelo put on a BETTER performance in his next fight when we know he was clean
you hung Canelo from a tree, based on very little proof..... and yet Pacquiao is MUCH more su****ious, because he exhibits the results of what you would expect from doping..... all while avoiding random blood tests
you are not a REAL boxing fan son
I am a Canelo fan..... but with Canelo, despite the fact that everything points to accidental contamination..... I am not 100% convinced, because I do not 100% know for sure..... which is MILES different than your childish blind-defence of Pacquiao
one of us is a real boxing fan..... and one of us is just a Pacquiao fan
The thing is Mayweather is a better, greater 147 pounder than Manny will ever be.
Manny is far from a 147 pounder, dude has been a 130 pounder as a grown man.
Like bread said, no flyweight champ ever had success at 147, this is nuts, and that's what make Pacquiao different, and greater in some aspects than Floyd, Floyd is greater in other aspects.
Manny is fighting at 147 because that is where fame and the money are.
Otherwise he would have probably topped at 135, wich is already insane.
immediately after the second Marquez fight, Manny Steward stated that Pac should consider retiring..... he said that Manny looked shopworn and had been in too many wars.....
Manny then linked up with Alex Ariza
immediately following Pac's next fight against David Diaz, Steward was gushing with praise, saying that Manny was rejuvenated/revitalized, and looked like a different fighter
and NO, Steward was not throwing Manny under a bus, he was simply commenting on what he saw
what happened next..... ? here, let me remind you.....
Pac then skipped through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... increasing his speed/power and more than DOUBLING his punch output..... all while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf?
you know absolutely nothing about boxing if that does not seem su****ious to you
Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests
just ignore all of those facts..... if you truly need to LMAO
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