Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Manny Pacquiao Mania, Mayweather, More

[The D3vil]

Head to Head and common opponents...

Bread acting like Floyd and manny are the same size...

If Floyd main rival is a career featherweight, then it tells à lot about his level of oppo...

This right here.

People talking about "common opponents" and crap like that as if the fact that Pac, who started his career out at 108 beating the same opponents as Mayweather isn't a victory in itself.

If "Chocolatitio" Gonzalez beat Danny Garcia tomorrow, we'd be ready to build a statue for him.

I mean, Monster Inoue will probably never beat anybody beyond 126, let's just be honest and there's people who think he's P4P king.

sure..... but Pac has already refused to fight Crawford on MULTIPLE occasions according to Bob Arum..... which puts the selection of Thurman into perfect context

That's completely false.

Bob Arum admitted HE killed the fights because he "already knew how they'd end".

[aboutfkntime]

I dunno if I'm ignoring facts, but your theory that Pac turned into a beast at 147 after the Marquez fight where he looked "shopworn" would be valid if he destroyed Marquez at 147, that's exactly the opposite that happened in the 4th Marquez fight....

So maybe Marquez was always a problem for Pac...

he was, Pac NEVER solved the Marquez-puzzle

I did not say that Pac's performance against JMM was su****ious...

I said... suddenly skipping through THREE divisions in 9 months while gaining 12lbs of muscle and DOUBLING your punch output, is su****ious

So Pacquiao is a cheater, Canelo a victim...

About****intime the one and only DA REAL boxing fan ladies and gentlemen LMAO

stop making things up, you drama queen...

I said... " I am not 100% convinced " it was accidental contamination

I kept it real, but you did not... just like when we discussed weight

[aboutfkntime]

No denying it. Crawford wanted that fight while he was still throwing leather at 140.

We will see what is next. If Manny signs to fight Crawford or attempts a shot at Spence, then he is aiming for all time great. If he picks easier touches, which he certainly can at this point of his career, than he is at ease with his legacy and is just enjoying the paydays that come with the fame he has.

yep

and, either is fine/understandable at this point

[aboutfkntime]

People will appreciate Pacquiao more after he retires.
1. Wins against prime ATG and HOF fighters (Which Floyd obviously lacks)
2. Longevity (Manny Wins)
3. Record Breaking Accomplishments (Manny Wins)

I really don't see Floyd ahead of Pacquiao at this point. Also people needs to remember that Pacquiao's career below welterweight is way better than Floyd. Above welter they have almost the same career.

Greats before Pacquiao had their losses too, i don't understand why we need to put him down because of that.

Also i'm a huge fan of Leonard but people ranked him extremely high (top 10-15) which i don't agree. He is more of top 21-30 imo. Really short career, lost to Duran at his prime, defeated a past prime Hagler (amazing performance by Leonard but this was a close fight too). His top two quality wins were Hearns and Benitez.

If we used H2H as requirement for ranking great fighters, then we need to rank Heavyweights over any other weights because they would KTFO Ray Robinson and any smaller ATG in the list. That's why we must rank them using their accomplishments and not H2H.

how utterly ridiculous

SRL is WAAAAY ahead of Pacquiao

NOT..... EVEN..... CLOSE

he climbed WAY higher mountains than Pac..... and he did not lose to MULTIPLE opponents, some by knockout, some of those knockouts made by guys who did not deserve to enter the ring with Leonard

there is only ONE criteria for greatness...

WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how

#2 and #3 on your list are NOT criteria for greatness... and regarding this statement...

1. Wins against prime ATG and HOF fighters (Which Floyd obviously lacks)

which... " prime ATG and HOF fighters " did Pac beat... ?

FACT: Mayweather has MORE better/higher-level wins than Pac

first Pac is greater than Mayweather, then he is greater than Leonard... LMAO

you pacfans are nuts

[Fire4231]

I think it comes back to the criteria they are using. I don't think anyone is claiming he is the third best fighter ever (ie how good he was at his best relative to others). Rather they are just claiming he is the 3rd most accomplished- referring to his compiled achievements.

Personally, I prefer to define greatness by how good you were at your best; but there are a lot who rather look at what you accumulate over the length of your career.

Bro... Pac is a great fighter. But even from an accomplishment stand point I can’t give him #3 ever. There have been too many catch weights, accusations of PED’s and promoter fire walls to compare him to the guys from the 80’s and prior. The problem is these guys only know PAC’s resume. Half of them don’t even know that well.

[megas30]

What I gather from this:

Manny's career will forever linked to PED use, whether he did take them or not. It is such an unfortunate circumstance for a great little fighter. That Mayweather's negotiation changed everything. To be honest, it put doubts in my mind as well. Up to that point, I had never seen someone refused drug testing so profusely, especially with all the silly reasons. Scared of needles and blood weakening stuff. Ridiculous.

[JuniorTorres720]

It seems like the only guy who’s stock is raised because prior opponents have gone on to win is Mayweather. This argument makes no sense at all. If we’re gonna play that game then you might as well say Austin Trout got better because Cotto went on to win more fights. Or Victor Ortiz or Broner got better because Mariana went on to win more and had competitive fights with Mayweather. Etc. Etc. Etc. But no one is saying this about anyone else. It’s a dumb argument in my opinion. No one should get so much credit when he’s not actually winning fights.

[OCPancho]

deja vu all over again.
it's old already .

[aboutfkntime]

It seems like the only guy who’s stock is raised because prior opponents have gone on to win is Mayweather. This argument makes no sense at all. If we’re gonna play that game then you might as well say Austin Trout got better because Cotto went on to win more fights. Or Victor Ortiz or Broner got better because Mariana went on to win more and had competitive fights with Mayweather. Etc. Etc. Etc. But no one is saying this about anyone else. It’s a dumb argument in my opinion. No one should get so much credit when he’s not actually winning fights.

it makes PERFECT sense..... and, it is common-sense

the only time there is any debate about which of two fighters are greater..... is when those guys campaigned in different divisions, or in different era's..... so the question was never answered in the ring

but that is NOT the case with Mayweather/Pacquiao

those guys campaigned in the SAME division..... in the SAME era..... they fought, and Mayweather won..... /story

and there are NO excuses whatsoever..... because, you all thought that Pacquiao was going to win

Mayweather also has more/better higher-level wins on his resume'

now that history has established that Mayweather is above Pacquiao on the ATG list..... do you think that beating Thurman elevated Pac on the ATG list?

obviously, you do.....

which means, that YOU think this.....

YOU think Pacquiao PROVED that he is better than YOU thought he was before the Thurman fight

that is what you are saying, right..... ?

so, it stands to reason.....

if Pacquiao is better than YOU thought he was immediately prior to the Thurman fight, which is AFTER he lost to Mayweather..... then according to you, Mayweather (who we have already established is above Pacquiao on the ATG list) beat a Pacquiao who was better than YOU thought..... right?

NOBODY suggested that Mayweather should get credit for beating Thurman..... but if Pac is better than YOU thought he was, then obviously..... so is Mayweather

same with Canelo

if he turned out to be average, beating Canelo would not be a notable win for Mayweather..... but if Canelo turns out to be great, then his 12-round schooling at the hands of Mayweather takes on a completely different light

do you want to know why this makes no sense to you..... ?

you cannot admit to yourself that Mayweather is currently higher than Pacquiao on the ATG list, despite the fact that he already proved it..... THAT is your problem

[Boxingfanatic75]

I agree with everything you said however Floyd did not outclass Manny. That was a shallow victory. And by the same token if the judges gave it to Manny that would be a shallow victory as well. Nothing happened in that fight no one was out classed.
They should critque SLR. He avoided Pryor and Hagler and was gifted a decision against a shop worn Hagler because he was competitive. He fought a drained Hearns at 147 when he was a Middleweight in reality. Was gifted a draw in the rematch. He lost to Duran and created the blue print for the Manny vs Floyd fiasco fight with the 3rd Duran fight.

SRL didn’t avoid Pryor. Aaron Pryor turned down an initial offer from Leonard’s camp. After doing so he then chased down Leonard. At the time they were about to come to a deal SRL retired from boxing due to a detached retina. By the time he came back 2-3 years later the fight was past its sale date. Either way Pryor was great at 140. At 147 he would not have been an elite fighter. He was known to avoid fighters much taller than himself. At 5’6 he may have been mauled at WW