Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Manny Pacquiao Mania, Mayweather, More

[landotter]

I guess it would be insane for me to say out loud... or even type quietly.... that the difference between Floyd and Pacquiao is certainly getting narrower and narrower as far as career accomplishments, right? I mean, would I be a hater just for pointing out the obvious? Pacquiao is still active, and is still writing his legacy. Floyds legacy has had the ink dry on it for about 4 years now (unless you are silly enough to actually count the McGregor side show, which I do not) after he beat Berto. I see Pac still with enough left in the tank to scale some serious mountains yet, and he has the chance to truly end his career with some accomplishments which would put him in rare air. The Floyd against Manny debate raises too much emotion. But level headed folks can accept 2 truths if they are open minded to some degree or another:

1) Mayweather deserves the nod at this point. Factoring in his wins early in his career and the common opponents, as well as the head to head victory he won nearly every round in, it is hard to put Pacquiao ahead of him if he were to hang up gloves today. It is not a huge distance between the two, but it is not hard to actually defend it.

2) The current crop of 147 opponents and opportunities out there for huge fights give Pacquiao the last word in careers. How he handles his business gives him the chance to pass Mayweather for an overall career. It would take some upsets, but it is a clear path if he wants that as a goal. If Pac is just padding the pocketbook, than he probably does not take the fights he needs. But it is there to be had if he risks it.

[Jab jab boom]

yep I agree, except with Marquez.....

in the 3rd fight..... there is no functional difference whatsoever between Marquez facing Mayweather at a weight that was too high for him, 146..... and Marquez facing Pac at a weight that was too high for him, 145

the 3rd fight was a setup..... following his matchup with Floyd, they saw that Marquez looked old and slow at welter..... so despite Ariza and Roach publicly admitting that Pac was a natural JWW, who required 6 meals a day (including 3am/6am shakes) to remain at welter..... and then, only coming in at 143/144..... they demanded a catchweight of 145, despite the fact that Manny HAD NEVER WEIGHED THAT MUCH HIMSELF

they LITERALLY demanded that fight at the highest possible weight..... whereas, Mayweather had been a welter for years at that point

that was a typical example of " manny-weight "

the 4th fight..... Marquez may have been better-adjusted to welter

and that was also the case with Mosley

they refused to fight Mosley TWICE, according to Freddie Roach, when Mosley was ranked the #1 welter..... they only considered Mosley 2 years later after the awful Mora fight, when it was clear that Shane could no longer pull the trigger

#timing..... just like with Cotto

Bruce Trampler and Brad Goodman did a great job with Manny..... and yet, most pacfans have never heard of those guys

yeah, they definitely thought that they had a nice cherry pick with Marquez in that 3rd fight and it backfired. I don't think mayweather or pac faced the best version of mosley but the difference is, mosley for a while didn't seem eager to face mayweather (following his win vs vargas, complaining about his teeth instead).. Difference was, mayweather faced him after a top win vs Margarito (although mosley was off for a yr) and as you said, pac faced him after the draw with mora.

[BillyBoxing]

I agree with bread that Mayweather is better all time than Pacquiao, but he still ranks those guys too high

the positives in Pac's career, rate really highly..... not too far behind Mayweather..... but the negatives also rate highly..... losing, getting knocked out, the PED debacle, manny-weight.....

both are great, Mayweather is greater

it is insane that knowledgeable people get called a hater for pointing that out

You're not hater but you're clearly taking Floyd side and the american fighter side as usual. BE HONNEST

There is no PED debacle when it comes to Pacquiao, he still has to test positive.
It is not as wrack as the Xylocaine privilege of Floyd, regarding the CW, with CW wins over Marquez and Canelo, it helps as much his legacy.

My point is this, Pacquiao can't do what Floyd did, keeping an undefeated record for a whole career, Manny makes too much mistakes for that.
But Floyd can do what Pac did, or at least, didn't show it, he can't fight through 10 divisions, win titles in 8, blasting dudes out.

If a mini Floyd started at 118, and fought all Manny 70+ oppo to 147, would he be undefeated? I don't think so...

Manny wins are greater IMO, he has more quality wins than Floyd, he accomplished more in boxing, in more divisions BUT

he lost a serious bunch of fight.

To me, they are both great different ways, two differents stars, phenoms.

That is just my point of view, I hate ATG list and PPV lists, it is dumb and useless.

I call them the greats of my era, I have no problem with people having Floyd over Manny or manny over Floyd.

Roy, Manny, Floyd, are the 3 bests of the last 30 years, in differents ways...

[aboutfkntime]

Floyd used CW vs marquez and Canelo.

If we disqualify CW wins it doesn't help Floyd either tbh

Mayweather did not drain Marquez

it is funny that fact gets lost in favor of a cool story

[BillyBoxing]

yep I agree, except with Marquez.....

in the 3rd fight..... there is no functional difference whatsoever between Marquez facing Mayweather at a weight that was too high for him, 146..... and Marquez facing Pac at a weight that was too high for him, 145

the 3rd fight was a setup..... following his matchup with Floyd, they saw that Marquez looked old and slow at welter..... so despite Ariza and Roach publicly admitting that Pac was a natural JWW, who required 6 meals a day (including 3am/6am shakes) to remain at welter..... and then, only coming in at 143/144..... they demanded a catchweight of 145, despite the fact that Manny HAD NEVER WEIGHED THAT MUCH HIMSELF

they LITERALLY demanded that fight at the highest possible weight..... whereas, Mayweather had been a welter for years at that point

that was a typical example of " manny-weight "

the 4th fight..... Marquez may have been better-adjusted to welter

and that was also the case with Mosley

they refused to fight Mosley TWICE, according to Freddie Roach, when Mosley was ranked the #1 welter..... they only considered Mosley 2 years later after the awful Mora fight, when it was clear that Shane could no longer pull the trigger

#timing..... just like with Cotto

Bruce Trampler and Brad Goodman did a great job with Manny..... and yet, most pacfans have never heard of those guys

Same here, double standards.

You bash Manny for CW
now timing and good matchmaking, but Floyd himself was a master at it, and you know it.

Also, I agree with you that Manny fans are dumb, but so are Floyd fans, all boxer fans (not boxing) are dumb and irrational.

[aboutfkntime]

I guess it would be insane for me to say out loud... or even type quietly.... that the difference between Floyd and Pacquiao is certainly getting narrower and narrower as far as career accomplishments, right? I mean, would I be a hater just for pointing out the obvious? Pacquiao is still active, and is still writing his legacy. Floyds legacy has had the ink dry on it for about 4 years now (unless you are silly enough to actually count the McGregor side show, which I do not) after he beat Berto. I see Pac still with enough left in the tank to scale some serious mountains yet, and he has the chance to truly end his career with some accomplishments which would put him in rare air. The Floyd against Manny debate raises too much emotion. But level headed folks can accept 2 truths if they are open minded to some degree or another:

1) Mayweather deserves the nod at this point. Factoring in his wins early in his career and the common opponents, as well as the head to head victory he won nearly every round in, it is hard to put Pacquiao ahead of him if he were to hang up gloves today. It is not a huge distance between the two, but it is not hard to actually defend it.

2) The current crop of 147 opponents and opportunities out there for huge fights give Pacquiao the last word in careers. How he handles his business gives him the chance to pass Mayweather for an overall career. It would take some upsets, but it is a clear path if he wants that as a goal. If Pac is just padding the pocketbook, than he probably does not take the fights he needs. But it is there to be had if he risks it.

sure..... but Pac has already refused to fight Crawford on MULTIPLE occasions according to Bob Arum..... which puts the selection of Thurman into perfect context

[BillyBoxing]

Mayweather did not drain Marquez

it is funny that fact gets lost in favor of a cool story

Yeah I never talked about draining Marquez anyway you smart boy,
he just made him jump 2 divisions, lured him with a CW, CW that he didn't respect

Not making weight in boxing is cheating IMO

No "even playing field" here

[aboutfkntime]

You're not hater but you're clearly taking Floyd side and the american fighter side as usual. BE HONNEST

There is no PED debacle when it comes to Pacquiao, he still has to test positive.
It is not as wrack as the Xylocaine privilege of Floyd, regarding the CW, with CW wins over Marquez and Canelo, it helps as much his legacy.

My point is this, Pacquiao can't do what Floyd did, keeping an undefeated record for a whole career, Manny makes too much mistakes for that.
But Floyd can do what Pac did, or at least, didn't show it, he can't fight through 10 divisions, win titles in 8, blasting dudes out.

If a mini Floyd started at 118, and fought all Manny 70+ oppo to 147, would he be undefeated? I don't think so...

Manny wins are greater IMO, he has more quality wins than Floyd, he accomplished more in boxing, in more divisions BUT

he lost a serious bunch of fight.

To me, they are both great different ways, two differents stars, phenoms.

That is just my point of view, I hate ATG list and PPV lists, it is dumb and useless.

I call them the greats of my era, I have no problem with people having Floyd over Manny or manny over Floyd.

Roy, Manny, Floyd, are the 3 bests of the last 30 years, in differents ways...

nope, I am keeping it 100% real

FACT: there is only one criteria for greatness.....
..... who you beat, with consideration given to when/how

which makes this..... " he has more quality wins than Floyd "..... completely inaccurate

Pac's wins simply do not stack up to next to Mayweather's

they simply don't..... just like bread said

Mayweather edges the positives, and he absolutely swamps Pac when it comes to the negatives

and no, I am not favoring Mayflower..... all knowledgeable insiders say the same thing

[aboutfkntime]

Same here, double standards.

You bash Manny for CW
now timing and good matchmaking, but Floyd himself was a master at it, and you know it.

Also, I agree with you that Manny fans are dumb, but so are Floyd fans, all boxer fans (not boxing) are dumb and irrational.

he did it ONCE, with a much bigger guy who was a stud

Pac had like 8/9 CONSECUTIVE weight-affected fights.....

he was nick-named the catchweight king because of 143/144 manny-weight..... pulling the little guys up, and dragging the big guys down

they literally tried to win fights on the scale

there is NOTHING even remotely similar to Pac/Floyd in that respect

you just took ownership of the " biased " label that you attempted to stick on me

one of us is keeping it real, and one of us is not..... which I guess is why you attempted to insinuate that Floyd drained Marquez

[aboutfkntime]

Yeah I never talked about draining Marquez anyway you smart boy,
he just made him jump 2 divisions, lured him with a CW, CW that he didn't respect

Not making weight in boxing is cheating IMO

No "even playing field" here

this is the post you replied to.....

the 3rd fight was a setup..... following his matchup with Floyd, they saw that Marquez looked old and slow at welter..... so despite Ariza and Roach publicly admitting that Pac was a natural JWW, who required 6 meals a day (including 3am/6am shakes) to remain at welter..... and then, only coming in at 143/144..... they demanded a catchweight of 145, despite the fact that Manny HAD NEVER WEIGHED THAT MUCH HIMSELF

they LITERALLY demanded that fight at the highest possible weight..... whereas, Mayweather had been a welter for years at that point

that was a typical example of " manny-weight "

you are still the same dishonest clown that you have always been