Let's just say Pacquiao is on PEDS.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Any belief about Manny using were created by Manny when he refused to take PED tests and killed the fight in 09/10.

If you read the forums daily, whenever a fighter misses a PED test or there is no PED testing for a fight posters assume the boxer is on PED's. If the boxer isn't enrolled in year around random PED testing, they are assumed to be dirty. Manny is subject t o this scrutiny same as any other fighter.

Manny fans like the TS will give him every benefit of the doubt. Posters that aren't Manny diehards like me will hold him to the same standard the board holds every other fighter.

At this point it doesn't matter, Manny's legacy is set, whether he used or not.

so manny was the one who said his head grew and that's from ped use?? lol.. manny never refuse ped test. are you saying manny has never been tested for peds in his whole professional career??? LOL!! s

[The Big Dunn]

Doesn't matter to you that the testing was tailored by his opponent or that it is suspected and not without reason that it was biased?

I don't know if it is biased or that it was "tailored by his opponent". If I am correct, they would both be tested.

That said, in general When a PED test is missed or avoided, people automatically go with the fighter is dirty. Not just Manny, any fighter. I don't see why Manny would be given the benefit that no other fighter is given.

[The Big Dunn]

so manny was the one who said his head grew and that's from ped use?? lol.. manny never refuse ped test. are you saying manny has never been tested for peds in his whole professional career??? LOL!! s

Look I made my point. It's straightforward and easy to understand. Don't try and play dumb and misinterpret things to avoid the point of the post.

This is a ****** thread! You are avoiding the reason people think Manny used-the avoided test. Further, you are pretending that you and other Manny fans for years posted NO VADA=USING PEDS now that Manny is fighting without VADA and that is being thrown back in your faces.

For me it's a non issue. Manny won against Thurman. It's ridiculous to be talking about PED usage instead of what happened in the ring.

[kafkod]

that's what i am asking. im not saying manny is on peds! i am using that as an example. i am asking why is it that other fighters are getting popped for peds, yet manny has been accused of using peds but has never been caught for 20+ years. so i am asking, IF manny is on peds, why cant other fighters follow the same step pac takes in order to not get caught?

But if he isn't on PEDs, then he isn't taking any steps to avoid getting caught, and this whole discussion about what he and others might be doing is a waste of time.

To me, it just seems pointless to base a whole discussion on something you don't know to be true. Like building castles on sand.

[Eff Pandas]

please explain to me how he's able to get away with it for 20+ years without even getting popped once? PEDS in boxing is nothing new, lots of fighters have been caught using it. so please explain to me how a fighter from a 3rd world country is able to cheat the system for so long? and why cant other fighters follow the same steps manny is taking to get away with it without getting caught??!!!

Passing tests didn't become a problem til OST so there is a much smaller window we are considering.

And there are ways people can pass the tests. Look no further than Lance Armstrong who successfully cheated for the whole 2nd half of his career.

And lol at you implying that others AREN'T doing this fight now. I don't think you are the best person to discuss PED issues if you think everyone who's using is getting caught.

The smarter users are years ahead of what they are currently testing for. Thats why I've suggested boxing should be doing like the Olympics does with testing samples again & again as the tests catch up with the PED usage. If boxing did that there would 100% be guys who would be suspended years after the fact just like what happens in the Olympics when they retroactively strip medals.

[Eff Pandas]

Everyone is on PEDs. Some of them are legal or haven’t been placed on the banned list yet. Like when Povetkin was on Meldonium. He was using it before it became banned but that doesn’t make the effect he got it from any less. I’m sure every single top fighter is on some PED legal or not.

No doubt more or less.

I've heard the number of people with asthma in sports are unusually high. And many asthma drugs have banned substances in them. Coincidence? Maybe...maybe not.

And randomly I have issues with the whole concept of what is & isn't cheating as sports define it.

TRT is illegal in most sports. Stem cells are fine. You can also get body parts replaced on your body with your own parts or a dead guys parts & thats cool. How the eff is that not cheating? But I digress.

[Quiksilva]

PEDS in boxing is nothing new, lots of fighters have been caught using it.

There you have it man. Welcome to reality.

No suprise if Pacquiao used peds in the past or still is now.

I mean you said it yourself, a lot of fighters today take it. It's just the dumb ones that get caught.

Professional boxing is a very tough sport and to endure 12 rounds for three minutes isn't easy either. This is where PEDs help in this section.

Honestly, no athlete today is clean. Some might be but highly doubt it. Who knows.

[IceTrayDaGang]

I don't know if it is biased or that it was "tailored by his opponent". If I am correct, they would both be tested.

That said, in general When a PED test is missed or avoided, people automatically go with the fighter is dirty. Not just Manny, any fighter. I don't see why Manny would be given the benefit that no other fighter is given.

i dont see you having the same kinda energy on actual fighters that got popped. hint hint canelo.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Passing tests didn't become a problem til OST so there is a much smaller window we are considering.

And there are ways people can pass the tests. Look no further than Lance Armstrong who successfully cheated for the whole 2nd half of his career.

And lol at you implying that others AREN'T doing this fight now. I don't think you are the best person to discuss PED issues if you think everyone who's using is getting caught.

The smarter users are years ahead of what they are currently testing for. Thats why I've suggested boxing should be doing like the Olympics does with testing samples again & again as the tests catch up with the PED usage. If boxing did that there would 100% be guys who would be suspended years after the fact just like what happens in the Olympics when they retroactively strip medals.

understand that.. so why is it that only manny is getting away with it??? while other high profile names is getting popped? lol.. you telling me a guy like manny who juggles from boxing and politics aint slipped up once in over 20+ years? lol. come on mannnnn!

[The Big Dunn]

i dont see you having the same kinda energy on actual fighters that got popped. hint hint canelo.

You posted this before and I directed you to the threads about that and my comments. Don't lie just to try and salvage a point that can't be salvaged.