Is Pacquiao this generation’s Roberto Duran?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I never saw a Duran commercial in the 80's. Chavez in the 90's I saw, but not in the 80's.

Oscar turned pro in 92' and Carbajal rematched Gonzalez on March 13, 1993. Carbajal and Gonzalez became the first Junior Flyweights in history to earn a million dollar purse, and it was the first Junior Flyweight "superfight" and championship bout to headline a PPV event.

See what I'm saying?

They weren't making millions they made 1 million and it was because of Oscar.

Duran was hated in America who cares about Panama. The global stage hated Duran because he was a ****.

You just can't admit when your wrong, which is wack. Durans wins suck for the most part, its facts. Great fighter, not a lot of great wins. Take Leonard out of there and I htink history forgets Duran and says he lost all the big ones.

You're changing the goal posts with the probems of the modern era, I'm not talking about that. Floyd and Manny aren't part of the issues that plague the sport now. You're changing the goal posts because you've run out of things to try and be right about. Lame!

Floyd would have dominated almost any era, YDKSAB and his skills. You're a corny arsed hater drinking haterade.

Sure, fighters were tougher in the day and so would have been Floyd or Manny if they were subjected to the same conditions, it's relative.

Japanese fighters 90% suck and its always been that way. Stop dude, this is corny already.

Arguello lost to a guy, who cares.

This conversation is wack, you're acting like a child. YDKSAB and just want to argue. Duran was hated in the states, but you got to disagree and say he was loved in Panama, who gives a fcuk about Panama!?!?

You should be paying me for this consultation, I've got better things to do that keep reading you yammering on like a weirdo. Good luck with being a hater and hating stuff.

Here you go:

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I never saw a Duran commercial in the 80's. Chavez in the 90's I saw, but not in the 80's.

Oscar turned pro in 92' and Carbajal rematched Gonzalez on March 13, 1993. Carbajal and Gonzalez became the first Junior Flyweights in history to earn a million dollar purse, and it was the first Junior Flyweight "superfight" and championship bout to headline a PPV event.

See what I'm saying?

They weren't making millions they made 1 million and it was because of Oscar.

Duran was hated in America who cares about Panama. The global stage hated Duran because he was a ****.

You just can't admit when your wrong, which is wack. Durans wins suck for the most part, its facts. Great fighter, not a lot of great wins. Take Leonard out of there and I htink history forgets Duran and says he lost all the big ones.

You're changing the goal posts with the probems of the modern era, I'm not talking about that. Floyd and Manny aren't part of the issues that plague the sport now. You're changing the goal posts because you've run out of things to try and be right about. Lame!

Floyd would have dominated almost any era, YDKSAB and his skills. You're a corny arsed hater drinking haterade.

Sure, fighters were tougher in the day and so would have been Floyd or Manny if they were subjected to the same conditions, it's relative.

Japanese fighters 90% suck and its always been that way. Stop dude, this is corny already.

Arguello lost to a guy, who cares.

This conversation is wack, you're acting like a child. YDKSAB and just want to argue. Duran was hated in the states, but you got to disagree and say he was loved in Panama, who gives a fcuk about Panama!?!?

You should be paying me for this consultation, I've got better things to do that keep reading you yammering on like a weirdo. Good luck with being a hater and hating stuff.

I don't see any way to prove that Oscar De La Hoya is the reason Carbajal and Gonzalez made millions. Haha. I think the real reason is that they put on one hell of a fight the first time. Unfortunately the next two didn't live up to that first one. Don King is also to thank for promoting the fights which did well in Mexico.

Duran has always had tons of fans. Again, we're talking about things that can't really be proven either.

Manny and Floyd aren't part of the issue that plague sports now? And what are the issues that plague sports?

Well saying that Duran's wins suck is an opinion- not a fact. Saying anything sucks is always an opinion. Haha.

Any criticism of Mayweather ends with Hate. The man was so perfect in everything he did. You're not delusional at all.

They may have been tougher with the coniditons. Sure.

Ah, you're downplaying all Japanese fighters. That's "wack".

A guy beats an ATG in Arguello. Who cares? HAha. Yet, Corrales is a legend for beating Gainer. Wow.

I think the Panamanians care about Panama. And you're one to talk about wanting to argue. Haha. You're the one resorting to insults, chief.

And you end with "hating stuff". That has to be the weakest argument left. "You disagree with me so you're a hater. Waa waa waa." LOL

[War Room]

Here you go:

Good find, never saw that. Still a Leonard commercial though. Show me a Duran commercial in the US on his own?

[War Room]

I don't see any way to prove that Oscar De La Hoya is the reason Carbajal and Gonzalez made millions. Haha. I think the real reason is that they put on one hell of a fight the first time. Unfortunately the next two didn't live up to that first one. Don King is also to thank for promoting the fights which did well in Mexico.

neither of them made 1 million dollar paydays up until that time when Oscar brought big ttention to smaller guys. It's called deductive reasoning.

Duran has always had tons of fans. Again, we're talking about things that can't really be proven either.

Of course he had fans, Ali had fans too but he was hated during his time. I remember Duran as being hated more than loved.

Manny and Floyd aren't part of the issue that plague sports now? And what are the issues that plague sports?

A few things, for starters fighters aren't making the big fights. Back in Floyds and Mannys time, you had to ge the big fights to get the big paydays. Guys like Charlos, Spence, Crawford, Haney, Ryan Garcia, etc are getting big paydays for fighting bums. These big payouts make them not want to dare to be great and take on the big opposition. Thats the biggest problem, fighters being over-paid to fight bums.

Second, the amateurs are drying up in the US. It's been going on since 2012 Olympic team and even the 2008 team wasn't that great, still had yalent but not a ton. Massive problem, this year its like 1-2 guys and a bunch of women folk. Amateur boxing is dying, tbh combat sports is dying.

Those are the two big killers in boxing right now. Over-paid and no amateur talent.

Well saying that Duran's wins suck is an opinion- not a fact. Saying anything sucks is always an opinion. Haha.

Opinion isn't based on fact, my claims are facts so yes it is a fact.

Any criticism of Mayweather ends with Hate. The man was so perfect in everything he did. You're not delusional at all.

He had a perfect career, thus 50-0. He called out everybody and beat them all and in his twilight never had a close fight unless CJ Ross with her 114-114 when Floyd won clearly 118 against Canelo. Only guy I think he really dodged was Paul Williams and I think the Williams that beat Margarito beats Floyd.

They may have been tougher with the coniditons. Sure.

Ah, you're downplaying all Japanese fighters. That's "wack".

They're not that good. They're tough, like Mexican tough, but their infrastructure is bad so they produce poor fighters. There has been a few here and there, but overall Japan isn't on the map if you will. Facts.

A guy beats an ATG in Arguello. Who cares? HAha.

Some guys get a random loss early in their career, yea who the fcuk cares you crumbcacthing fanoik. You gonna tell me that Bobby Watts or Willy Monroe were awesome fighters because they got wins over a young Hagler, nah. Nobody gives a fcuk about those scrubs. Keep it moving peasant.

I think the Panamanians care about Panama. And you're one to talk about wanting to argue. Haha. You're the one resorting to insults, chief.

Panama isn't tme world stage for boxing, nobody gives a fcuk about Panama. You've been instulting me from the get. Can't handle the heat bruh?

Shouldn't you be back in the fields working peasant?

[GrandpaBernard]

manny is the closest thing we have to a Duran

people memories of manny’s feats will be very kind once he retired for 5 or more years

[Tony Trick-Pony]

manny is the closest thing we have to a Duran

people memories of manny’s feats will be very kind once he retired for 5 or more years

He's had a great run for sure. And after Spence, he will have fought in four decades. Incredible.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Good find, never saw that. Still a Leonard commercial though. Show me a Duran commercial in the US on his own?

Haha. You're never satisfied. Are you?

[GrandpaBernard]

He's had a great run for sure. And after Spence, he will have fought in four decades. Incredible.

Exactly

I’m no fan but will admit when someone has done good work

[Tony Trick-Pony]

neither of them made 1 million dollar paydays up until that time when Oscar brought big ttention to smaller guys. It's called deductive reasoning.


Of course he had fans, Ali had fans too but he was hated during his time. I remember Duran as being hated more than loved.



A few things, for starters fighters aren't making the big fights. Back in Floyds and Mannys time, you had to ge the big fights to get the big paydays. Guys like Charlos, Spence, Crawford, Haney, Ryan Garcia, etc are getting big paydays for fighting bums. These big payouts make them not want to dare to be great and take on the big opposition. Thats the biggest problem, fighters being over-paid to fight bums.

Second, the amateurs are drying up in the US. It's been going on since 2012 Olympic team and even the 2008 team wasn't that great, still had yalent but not a ton. Massive problem, this year its like 1-2 guys and a bunch of women folk. Amateur boxing is dying, tbh combat sports is dying.

Those are the two big killers in boxing right now. Over-paid and no amateur talent.



Opinion isn't based on fact, my claims are facts so yes it is a fact.



He had a perfect career, thus 50-0. He called out everybody and beat them all and in his twilight never had a close fight unless CJ Ross with her 114-114 when Floyd won clearly 118 against Canelo. Only guy I think he really dodged was Paul Williams and I think the Williams that beat Margarito beats Floyd.

They may have been tougher with the coniditons. Sure.


They're not that good. They're tough, like Mexican tough, but their infrastructure is bad so they produce poor fighters. There has been a few here and there, but overall Japan isn't on the map if you will. Facts.


Some guys get a random loss early in their career, yea who the fcuk cares you crumbcacthing fanoik. You gonna tell me that Bobby Watts or Willy Monroe were awesome fighters because they got wins over a young Hagler, nah. Nobody gives a fcuk about those scrubs. Keep it moving peasant.


Panama isn't tme world stage for boxing, nobody gives a fcuk about Panama. You've been instulting me from the get. Can't handle the heat bruh?

Shouldn't you be back in the fields working peasant?

Deductive reasoning? I'd say conjecture. Haha.

Oh he was probably hated more than loved but there's no way to prove that. I know the commentators hated him after the Leonard fight. Listen to the comentary on any Duran fight post-Leonard. I've never heard a guy trashed so much. Haha. Blatant bias.

I agree with the idea of them being overpaid for fighting lousy competition. Very true, man. I mean, I like to see fighters make a lot but I'd rather see them earn it against actual threats.

Oh I have no doubt that the amateurs are lacking in the US. And yes, I agree. Boxing has been on the downside for a long time with UFC coming up but neither can really compare with baseball, basketball and football. Hockey seems to be on the rise, too. In America at one time, boxing was huge but not anymore. It's hard to find any boxing fans around most of the time. Most of the ones I know are on here. Haha.

Your opinions are based on your opinions like everyone else. So are mine. Haha. It's no big deal.

Paul Williams would have certainly had a great shot at him.

I bet the Monster disagrees with you.

There you go with insults again. Haha. Weak. And completely unnecessary.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Exactly

I’m no fan but will admit when someone has done good work

Oh for sure. I hated Manny for beating Morales but he kept taking on big guys and beating them. Hell, he earned it and he came from nothing. I'd be a real douche if I didn't respect that.