Mayweather takes a MASSIVE dive in the history books tonight (RIP floyd)

[aboutfkntime]

" Pac beat Thurman..... see, I told you he was better than Floyd "

[Spoon23]

" Pac beat Thurman..... see, I told you he was better than Floyd "

Well, it's not just because Pac beat Thurman. But it's one of the reasons. A prime undefeated fighter against a 40 year old? Does Floyd have that? Yeah, he doesn't. So yeah, good for you. You are waking up from reality. Proud of you son.

You are now taking off those horse blinders. You are definitely seeing the light. Good job.

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No worries top 40-50 all time is a good place for Floyd. Savor it.

[aboutfkntime]

Well, it's not just because Pac beat Thurman. But it's one of the reasons. A prime undefeated fighter against a 40 year old? Does Floyd have that? Yeah, he doesn't. So yeah, good for you. You are waking up from reality. Proud of you son.

You are now taking off those horse blinders. You are definitely seeing the light. Good job.

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No worries top 40-50 all time is a good place for Floyd. Savor it.

Pac beat a largely-unproven mid-level welter you silly schoolgirl

and 40 is no magic number, so stop making up stories..... Hopkins became a GENUINE champion at 46yo, so I guess that he is better than Pac???

show me the rule that says the magic number for longevity is 40

btw, longevity is NOT a criteria for greatness..... many great fighters had good longevity because that is often how long it takes to become great..... some great fighters only had short careers

there is no magic number, so stoppit !!

Pac beat a largely unproven mid-level welter at 40yo..... but Mayweather will likely be credited for schooling a GREAT fighter at 38yo..... and Mayweather WILL be credited for beating an even better ATG at 36yo..... BOTH of those wins are FAR better than Pac beating a largely-unproven injured/inactive Keith Thurman, who nearly lost to a journeyman in his last fight..... NOT EVEN CLOSE

and those two wins are likely better than anything Pac has EVER done

stop and think about that for a second.....

those 2 performances by " old " Mayweather, at 38yo and 36yo respectively..... will likely be more highly regarded by historians than any win on Pacquiao's resume

still want to talk about longevity..... or shall we start talking about losses ?

[Spoon23]

Pac beat a largely-unproven mid-level welter you silly schoolgirl

and 40 is no magic number, so stop making up stories..... Hopkins became a GENUINE champion at 46yo, so I guess that he is better than Pac???

show me the rule that says the magic number for longevity is 40

btw, longevity is NOT a criteria for greatness..... many great fighters had good longevity because that is often how long it takes to become great..... some great fighters only had short careers

there is no magic number, so stoppit !!

Pac beat a largely unproven mid-level welter at 40yo..... but Mayweather will likely be credited for schooling a GREAT fighter at 38yo..... and Mayweather WILL be credited for beating an even better ATG at 36yo..... BOTH of those wins are FAR better than Pac beating a largely-unproven injured/inactive Keith Thurman, who nearly lost to a journeyman in his last fight..... NOT EVEN CLOSE

and those two wins are likely better than anything Pac has EVER done

stop and think about that for a second.....

those 2 performances by " old " Mayweather, at 38yo and 36yo respectively..... will likely be more highly regarded by historians than any win on Pacquiao's resume

still want to talk about longevity..... or shall we start talking about losses ?

Wow.. so much effort so little substance..

You do know boxing is a young mans sport right?

Anyway.. Like I said. Floyd is alright.

top 40-50 all time is not that bad. Savor the legacy Floyd has etched in stone. It's not that bad.

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— Max Kellerman (@maxkellerman) July 21, 2019

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[The D3vil]

1) Marquez was already in his 30's by the time Manny fought him the first time. Their rematch happened years later when Marquez was nearing 35 years old and Manny still couldn't beat him decisively. No athlete at 35 is still considered prime.

2) Manny's team initially turned down the De La Hoya fight when it was offered to them. Freddie Roach said Oscar was too big for Manny but then changed his mind because Freddie himself saw that Oscar was slipping. Freddie trained Oscar and he could see Oscar was not the fighter he used to be. So yes, that was good timing on Manny's team's part.

3) You say Floyd fought guys before or after they were at their most dangerous? Coralles was undefeated at 33-0 with 30 knockouts and he and Floyd were the same age when Floyd finished him. Hatton was undefeated with 43 wins and 30 knockout when Floyd finished him. Canelo was 23 years old with 43 wins and 0 losses as well as 30 knockouts when Floyd schooled him. Don't tell me Canelo was too young either because 23 is the same age Floyd was when he dominated Coralles, the same age Ali was when he knocked out Liston a second time and it's older than Tyson was when he became undisputed heavyweight champion. STOP changing the rules for each fighter.

4) Like I told you before Manny started fighting as a literal kid. You can't turn pro as a kid in the U.S. Using the Chocolatito comparison is silly because Chocolatito is still way smaller than Manny. He will never be close to Danny Garcia's size. Garcia also started his career heavier than Floyd did.

1. Marquez was 30 and Manny was 25, when they first fought, at featherweight, which was Marquez's best weight. between 28-32 is considered prime. Marquez was at his absolute best when he fought Manny and got a gift draw because of a scoring error.

Floyd didn't fight Marquez until he could drag him up 2 weight classes and he was 36 years old. Again, Manny fought a much better version of Marquez than Floyd did, 4 times through different weight classes.

2. De La Hoya was still the much bigger guy in terms of name and size & stature. Again, could you imagine Chocolatito beating Danny Garcia or Shawn Porter or somebody? No.

De La Hoya dragged Manny up 2 weight classes and still got his ass beat by a guy who was fighting at 135 5 months earlier.

And Floyd didn't fight the prime De La Hoya that demolished Trinidad and got robbed either. Both of them fought De La Hoya when he was past his prime.

3. Canelo is in his prime now, today. Canelo that fought GGG and Danny Jacobs is the best he's ever been and now you're telling me he was in his prime at 23? Stop it.

Virtually no athlete's in their prime at 23, unless they're in tennis or something. Late 20s and early 30s is prime for most sports, including boxing, unless we're talking about guys in the lowest weight classes who peter out at 28, 29 like Chocolatito, which makes Manny's trek through 8 weight classes far past the time that guys who start their careers at his size are done even more impressive.

I'll give you Corrales and Hatton though. I never said Floyd was chopped liver, just that he rarely took risks, which his aversion to leave America and Las Vegas specifically shows.

4. Canelo started his career as a "kid" and was he 106 lbs? No.

Lots of fighters start their careers at 15, 16, 17, like how many of them trek through 8 weight classes & end up at Super Welterweight?

Virtually none.

Manny at 20 years old (an adult) was still fighting at 112lbs. It's not like he grew into a welterweight. He's still not naturally a welterweight. He had to gorge himself to go up to 147 and 154. He's probably till this day a natural 140lber and only fought one fight at the weight he was absolutely the best at (135).

Like I said, the fact that a guy who was fighting at 112lbs at 20 years old can say that he's a 4x welterweight champion and beat an undefeated champion a decade younger than him as never been done and probably won't be done in our lifetime.

I can't even see guys like Monster Inoue ever fighting up to lightweight.

[ADP02]

FACT: in that video... Kellerman admitted that you can just as easily argue that Mayweather is greater than Pacquiao... HE SAID THAT!!

FACT: in that video... Kellerman struggled to argue that Pac is greater than Floyd with a couple of hack journo's... that conversation finished with Kellerman defending an opinion that even he admits was described by MANY observers as... "far-fetched"

it sounded like he was struggling to make any kind of real argument for the fact that Mayweather has better wins and is clearly a superior fighter who is more-skilled and much more well-rounded

FACT: Kellerman said that he ALWAYS thought Mayweather was going to beat Pacquiao

here is Kellerman's problem.....

FACT: there is only ONE criteria for greatness..... and it has nothing to do with that stuff Kellerman said

insinuating that genuine ATG criteria has anything to do with what weight you started fighting, or how many divisions you competed in, is quite frankly ridiculous... especially coming from someone in Kellerman's position..... he is well-aware that fighters who are greater than Pacquiao started at heavyweight and only fought in 1 division their entire career

Willie Pep is greater than Pac, and he was a career-featherweight... Kellerman knows this

FACT: there is only ONE criteria for greatness..... who did you beat, with consideration given to when/how

like I said, Kellerman is just blurting out his " fave ".....

also, every decision-in-life is a blank piece of paper with a line down the middle, pro's on one side con's on the other..... Kellerman ONLY mentioned the pro's..... he did not mention the con's once

aside from struggling to match the height of Mayweather's best wins, you cannot be losing to average guys like Torrecampo, Sungsurat, Horn..... and go life-n-death with fighters who are not on Floyd's level, like Marquez and Bradley..... and then expect to be rated higher than Floyd..... it makes no sense

Kellerman thinks that Marquez beat Pacquiao EVERY time..... he admits that you can just as easily argue that Floyd is greater than Pacquiao... and he will not even attempt to compare Pac's cons to Floyd's cons, which is half-the-story..... the cool story, bro

In that interview in 2016, Max said that you can try to make that argument (Floyd over Manny) but you would be probably wrong …. and says why! LOL

No the criteria is NOT just about who you beat, as Max Kellerman clearly let you know. Since you cannot handle what he said, you made up your own "facts". LOL


That interview was in 2016. Fast forward to 2019 and Manny continues to go strong and now has even beat Keith Thurman.

So what does Max Kellerman say PRESENTLY? Not only does Manny pass Floyd , he said that Manny has a very good case in stating that he is the best ever pound for pound!!!!







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[aboutfkntime]

In that interview in 2016, Max said that you can try to make that argument (Floyd over Manny) but you would be probably wrong …. and says why! LOL

No the criteria is NOT just about who you beat, as Max Kellerman clearly let you know. Since you cannot handle what he said, you made up your own "facts". LOL


That interview was in 2016. Fast forward to 2019 and Manny continues to go strong and now has even beat Keith Thurman.

So what does Max Kellerman say PRESENTLY? Not only does Manny pass Floyd , he said that Manny has a very good case in stating that he is the best ever pound for pound!!!!

anyone who thinks that is an absolute mug

aside from struggling to match the height of Mayweather's best wins, you cannot be losing to average guys like Torrecampo, Sungsurat, Horn..... and go life-n-death with fighters who are not on Floyd's level, like Marquez and Bradley..... and then expect to be rated higher than Floyd..... it makes no sense

for beating Thurman

[ADP02]

In that interview in 2016, Max said that you can try to make that argument (Floyd over Manny) but you would be probably wrong …. and says why! LOL

No the criteria is NOT just about who you beat, as Max Kellerman clearly let you know. Since you cannot handle what he said, you made up your own "facts". LOL


That interview was in 2016. Fast forward to 2019 and Manny continues to go strong and now has even beat Keith Thurman.

So what does Max Kellerman say PRESENTLY? Not only does Manny pass Floyd , he said that Manny has a very good case in stating that he is the best ever pound for pound!!!!







.

anyone who thinks that is an absolute mug

aside from struggling to match the height of Mayweather's best wins, you cannot be losing to average guys like Torrecampo, Sungsurat, Horn..... and go life-n-death with fighters who are not on Floyd's level, like Marquez and Bradley..... and then expect to be rated higher than Floyd..... it makes no sense

for beating Thurman

Wrong again. Great fighters have lost. You need to do better than that. Previously, you used Max to make your point but now you are trying to put Max down for saying that about Manny?


BTW - Manny should have gotten the W against Horn but there was no way that Manny was going to get that in Australia, unfortunatley. Even Teddy Atlas, who is a heavy critic of Manny, went ballistics and agreed that Manny beat Horn.



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[Curtis Harper]

Has the TS ever showed us those books

Or has he ditched his thread

[QueensburyRules]

anyone who thinks that is an absolute mug

aside from struggling to match the height of Mayweather's best wins, you cannot be losing to average guys like Torrecampo, Sungsurat, Horn..... and go life-n-death with fighters who are not on Floyd's level, like Marquez and Bradley..... and then expect to be rated higher than Floyd..... it makes no sense

for beating Thurman

- -Been beat up a lot, eh.

BALCO Juan and Bradley were Ring ranked P4P fighters and Manny fought them 7x.

TUE 50-0 only has the one fight he had to cheat on the weight and pay a penalty.

Lessee, Thurman vs. 20 yr old Japanese Banty making his debut...snickers...