Why all the hate on GGG's resume?

[Cobra Curry]

That just means your last Green K was also for Koba, right ? As soon as you give one to somebody else, you should be able to go back to Koba.

Ah, okay. Thank you.

[DreamFighter]

Also you missed the key phrase "prime years".

that phrase that only comes up the one time he tries something great, true.

[DreamFighter]

The middleweight champion can't be classed as a "lower weight guy", especially when he vacated to fight at 164 or whatever it was.

thats fair enough, though he can be classed as lower weight guy than GGG for almost all of his career.

amended. thx. maybe makes it sound worse for Golovkin now.

[Longhaul]

Haters if he was from Nigeria he would be a success story.I want to see the third fight as a fan don’t care who wins.

[Cobra Curry]

thats fair enough, though he can be classed as lower weight guy than GGG for almost all of his career.

amended. thx. maybe makes it sound worse for Golovkin now.

This doesn't even make sense.

I think it's generally accepted that an athlete's prime is late 20's/ early thirties rather than 36.

[CauliflowerEars]

I mean...I've heard most of the arguments already...but that talking point about GGG I've just never really understood.
I can understand if people just don't like a guy and want to root against him lol...and to be fair I think there is valid of criticism of any fighter and GGG is no different.
But as far as resume...guys very rarely have a clear win over a HOFer in their prime...I would argue GGG did that against Canelo but honestly not really the main point of the thread.

So yeah...Murray, Lemieux, Brook, Monroe, Geale, Ouma, Stevens, Macklin, Vanes, Proksa, Rubio, Adama, Ishida, Rosado, Rolls all by KO...I mean if he was struggling in half of those to get a decision I would agree with a lot of the criticism but never happened there.

So yeah interested in some nuanced arguments for or against it if anyone is interested. Or even some comparisons of who particularly has a better resume as a current fighter etc. I just think when I've really looked at GGG's stuff compared to other guys it has stacked up very well.

Hey buddy. I think you've pretty much answered your own question. Fans are free to root against and unjustly mud-sling as much as they like, for whatever reasons. Convincing them to admit it's part of their Fandom is another story. Some boxing fans have a capacity for objectivity, many others do not. I think you've acknowledged as much, already.

With that in mind, because GGG's resume is not stellar and has some question marks, it's going to be a point of attack. What gets released in the press also impacts fans' reactions. PLENTY of fighters, and even some on the pound for pound list, have question marks on their resume, but GGG is who you often see talked about on BoxingScene NSB.
It doesn't help to see Golovkin quoted saying, "The bad thing about boxing today is the best are not fighting the best", the day before he is about to fight Steve Rolls. - not a good look. In other words, the press tends to give people ammunition. You don't see a ton of "resume threads" on Estrada, Mikey Garcia, or even Spence, because their media narratives are different.

At the end of the day, GGG is on all the professional P4P Lists for a reason. He doesn't have the best resume and he doesn't have the worst. He's had an impressive career, obviously. There's just been certain narratives throughout his career that have polarized fans and made him a mark for hate, criticism, and debate.

Peace.


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[DreamFighter]

This doesn't even make sense.

I think it's generally accepted that an athlete's prime is late 20's/ early thirties rather than 36.

what I wrote was entirely about canelo, there is nothing about 3Gs ageing that post.
So you are saying there is something wrong with the actual content of my post. Lets look at it -

Why doesnt canelo being a lower weight fighter for almost his entire career make sense to you?

Do you not agree with the weight divisions? DO you think LMW is actually MW? yes or no,let me know.

Do you think Canelo has secretly has hundreds of fights at MW that he doesnt include on his resume? yes or no,and fill me in on these secret MW bouts he had.

What part of the cast iron fact of canelo having 9/10ths of his career in lower divisions, doesnt make sense to you? let me know.

It is a numerical fact. If you do not agree with an arithmetic certainty (eg 2+2=4) then the issue is your maths.

[Cobra Curry]

what I wrote was entirely about canelo, there is nothing about 3Gs ageing that post.
So you are saying there is something wrong with the actual content of my post. Lets look at it -

Why doesnt canelo being a lower weight fighter for almost his entire career make sense to you?

Do you not agree with the weight divisions? DO you think LMW is actually MW? yes or no,let me know.

Do you think Canelo has secretly has hundreds of fights at MW that he doesnt include on his resume? yes or no,and fill me in on these secret MW bouts he had.

What part of the cast iron fact of canelo having 9/10ths of his career in lower divisions, doesnt make sense to you? let me know.

It is a numerical fact. If you do not agree with an arithmetic certainty (eg 2+2=4) then the issue is your maths.

I was answering both your posts. You said something about "every time Golovkin tries to do something great".

Light middleweight or super welterweight is indeed a weight class and if Canelo felt he was not big enough for middleweight he should have stayed there instead all that 155lb bull****.
The fact that he moved up in weight is great for him but largely irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. No one's giving Crawford extra time to settle into 147 and he's not defending his title at 144. He's a welterweight champion, fighting at the welterweight limit and we all want to see him fight Errol Spence asap.
We're not making special rules for him and he's not asking for any so why aren't we treating Canelo the same way?

[QueensburyRules]

I mean...I've heard most of the arguments already...but that talking point about GGG I've just never really understood.

I can understand if people just don't like a guy and want to root against him lol...and to be fair I think there is valid of criticism of any fighter and GGG is no different.

But as far as resume...guys very rarely have a clear win over a HOFer in their prime...I would argue GGG did that against Canelo but honestly not really the main point of the thread.

But if the attack on him is 'who else' other than Canelo...I mean many guys don't have a non-controversial clear win over a HOFer in their prime...because HOFers very rarely clearly lose in their prime, that's mainly why they are HOFers ya know.

I just think 15 KOs over good fighters, all in their relative primes, all at basically their best weight (Brook a notable exception) is really solid...especially to never have a hiccup in those fights and to win them all clearly.

GGG has never been the 'home' fighter and had to get a favorable decision in there as well...just think it is very respectable to handle business like that and never even go 12 rounds or have a hint of controversy in about 15 fights like that.

So yeah...Murray, Lemieux, Brook, Monroe, Geale, Ouma, Stevens, Macklin, Vanes, Proksa, Rubio, Adama, Ishida, Rosado, Rolls all by KO...I mean if he was struggling in half of those to get a decision I would agree with a lot of the criticism but never happened there.

Even the Jacobs/Canelo fights...I mean he outlanded them in 27/33 rounds (3 ties)...that certainly doesn't mean he takes all those rounds, but certainly an indication of his skill level and ability to box.

And when you factor in his punch stats with the fact that everyone acknowledges he is a big puncher, just leads to a lot of clear rounds for him from what I saw...and if he doesn't win it, it is usually a close round imo...he is just too active usually and landing too much.

So yeah interested in some nuanced arguments for or against it if anyone is interested. Or even some comparisons of who particularly has a better resume as a current fighter etc. I just think when I've really looked at GGG's stuff compared to other guys it has stacked up very well.

- -When has Canelo ever been a home fighter save coming up in Mexico?

GGG has become the adopted home fighter much more popular with fans who seldom disparage him racially like Canelo gets, but he and Loeffler dropped the ball when they ducked the immediate rematch.

Canelo laid some serious leather on GGG in the first fight without running like Jacobs, and fighters know when they get whipped.

So now his mojo is gone and his team and fans are claiming a sense of entitlement that give traction to the riffraff that are still fighting the Cold War.

[DreamFighter]

I was answering both your posts. You said something about "every time Golovkin tries to do something great".

it remains true that he was still beaten by his first elite, Canelo, both before and after you made reply.

Light middleweight or super welterweight is indeed a weight class and if Canelo felt he was not big enough for middleweight he should have stayed there instead all that 155lb bull****.
The fact that he moved up in weight is great for him but largely irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. No one's giving Crawford extra time to settle into 147 and he's not defending his title at 144. He's a welterweight champion, fighting at the welterweight limit and we all want to see him fight Errol Spence asap.

quite the opposite- its part of Terrys elite ability that he has moved up with success.

though i agree all that catchweight stuff is odd.