Comments Thread For: Andrade: GGG Beat #81 in The World Rolls, I'm Fighting Real Guys!

[Sweet_Science2]

If it wasn't for the "***** g" I'd think you had a normal development for a 15 y.o. But you really killed it for yourself..I'd give you no more than 12 want some candy? I can't take you seriously enough to give a substantive response.

Shut your hoe ass up! Like I said. Pussie g fans would rather say why an opponent shouldn't fight lil g then they want to see those fighters prove who is better. Not shut your bytch ass up.

[DeeMoney]

I hear ya..I just think very rarely do two fighters in the top 20 pfp actually fight...especially at their preferred weight ya know...just very rarely happens, now or in history.

On the Canelo fights...I was impressed with Canelo in both fights in different ways...I will just say that all boxing is in my view is scoring punches and their impact...if we start to get into whose style is better or who did xyz better...I mean then we can kind of make a case that a guy won a fight they definitely didn't win.

I think Canelo fought well in fight 2 but round by round GGG is just so active and outlanding him usually...and also often times landing the best shot or shots of the round...so yeah I just saw both those fights as pretty straightforward for GGG.

Canelo held the center of the ring well in the 2nd fight but I don't really the see the POV that he was backing GGG up...5th round he did but I thought GGG boxed very well off the back foot that round, outlanded Canelo by a lot, and scored the best shots...thought that was a clear round for GGG.

But yeah I would like to see it again...I would like them to fight for 30 rounds one night and see who is standing at the end lol...when a guy gets outlanded in 8/11 rounds and barely gets a decision on the cards as the home fighter...I mean I just don't really see the POV that that was a dominant victory.

But as you said there are some other good fights out there for both...so let's see what we get coming up...should be some good ones.

Exactly- the ambiguity of scoring criteria allows fans, promoters, and judges (unfortunately on the last one) to basically claim the winner was whoever they thought.
Take the two fights you mentioned for example- after fight 1 many GGG fans claim he won based on him being the aggressor, whereas Canelo fans noted that simply being aggressive is not what its about. Then after fight 2 hypocrisy kicks in and Canelo fans claim he won for 'coming forward and fighting Mexican style', with G fans responding with the line about it not about aggression.
"Scoring punches and their impact", as you wrote, tends to avoid this form of bias.

[Ake-Dawg]

My friend...my buddy...lol

I mean asking for a fight...and saying you would fight a guy etc...are a lot different than a guy 'ducking' ya know...I mean all the specifics have to be worked out even if two guys want to fight, especially if at different weight classes etc...so yeah I can honestly say I have never seen a legit case/story of GGG 'avoiding' a guy he was due to fight...most guys will usually take the higher reward/lower risk strategy though, this is true.

Rolls fight was pretty cheap for sure...tune up after a tough fight/tough decision imo...Vanes was short notice after his opponent was found guilty of cheating...so yeah I don't really begrudge him that one...Vanes was always a good fighter anyway so never really understood the over the top criticism for that one...he was a little inactive and moving up in weight, so not ideal...but on short notice when your opponent had to drop out, not that bad to me.

Yeah I agree now he is and has been focused, I would say overly so, on Canelo..but that is the biggest legacy fight for him as well as the money ya know...so I can understand him wanting that one...especially after those two fights which I feel he pretty clearly was the better man...if he was avoiding fighting Canelo I think a lot of the same people giving GGG some flack now would still give him flack, just for different reasons ya know.

But yeah I guess we will agree to disagree on this one...looking forward to Saturday night to see if Andrade can impress or if it's a close fight...I think Sulecki can make it interesting but still probably leaning Andrade.

Charlo Andrade Ward and Saunders were full swerves. Swerved Andrade for Vanes (retired for a year) and then Rolls. Ward...164. Saunders...low-ball offer while they lied to the public about a 3M offer. Charlo...mandated interim fight they flat out said no to. What more does a fighter have to do be considered to have avoided a fighter?

[robbyheartbaby]

Bahahahahahha get started.
I love Jacobs but I don't consider him p4p.
You are joking with old Daniel geale and David lemieux.

Not one marquee win. Not one.
No foty

If this is the benchmark for greatness to you, I guess Kovalev is great too

People are harsh critics, you can win titles and even unify a division and still be mocked by boxing fans, that's harsh.

[boxinggod101]

stop comparing andrade to golovkin. andrade is arguably the most avoided fighter in the game, he has been screaming for the big fights and guys don't want to fight him. high risk low reward. BJS stepped up and agreed to fight him, but pissed hot. not andrade's fault who had agreed to the fight.

ggg can fight all the best guys, yet ducked and maneuvered around his whole career. props for fighting jacobs, but he lost and then ducked a rematch lol. some props for fighting canelo too, even though, again, he lost. and lets be real, nobody is ducking that canelo pay day.

ggg is a media creation, he bowed down on both knees and handed andre ward his nuts so the farce would go on. lmao

abel sanchez had to spoon him at night, rub his belly and whisper sweet nothings in his ear because he was having nightmares of being sonned by a boxing GOD. lol

The delusion here is strong here lol

[boxinggod101]

Even though GGG resume is nothing specialx Andrade resume cant compete with it. That makes his resume mediocre.. Maybe he should just avoid that subject

[Boxing_1013]

Exactly- the ambiguity of scoring criteria allows fans, promoters, and judges (unfortunately on the last one) to basically claim the winner was whoever they thought.
Take the two fights you mentioned for example- after fight 1 many GGG fans claim he won based on him being the aggressor, whereas Canelo fans noted that simply being aggressive is not what its about. Then after fight 2 hypocrisy kicks in and Canelo fans claim he won for 'coming forward and fighting Mexican style', with G fans responding with the line about it not about aggression.
"Scoring punches and their impact", as you wrote, tends to avoid this form of bias.

Thanks my friend...very good post :0

[Curtis Harper]

Even the pros are clowning TripleGeezer

[Joe Beamish]

I don't know. In Golovkin's last five fights, he's fought Canelo twice and Jacobs once. Currently are there really that many guys who've faced better competition in the same span?

[Boxing_1013]

Charlo Andrade Ward and Saunders were full swerves. Swerved Andrade for Vanes (retired for a year) and then Rolls. Ward...164. Saunders...low-ball offer while they lied to the public about a 3M offer. Charlo...mandated interim fight they flat out said no to. What more does a fighter have to do be considered to have avoided a fighter?

Serious question - why is GGG still number 3 with the WBC if GGG said no and turned down the Charlo fight?

Idk man I just don't really see the other situations the same as you I suppose...seems like you are just taking the one side you want to be true and ignoring the other side...and even overlooking the middle ground for those cases where some fights just don't happen...doesn't really mean there is a duck, just other things came up.

I do remember Ward actually dropping a belt rather than facing Anthony Dirrell...he said it made no money...and I think that's honestly worse than anything I've seen from GGG...GGG got stripped because he wanted to fight Canelo again and then Derevychenko...never actually dropped a belt...weird situation but honestly unfortunate in my view that GGG got penalized for that when the rematch got postponed to begin with because Canelo tested positive.

But it is what it is...to each his own my friend, we can all see what we want to see sometimes I suppose. Good chats.