Comments Thread For: Andrade: GGG Beat #81 in The World Rolls, I'm Fighting Real Guys!

[j.razor]

hes gotta beat better opponents before going down this route of talking

Will beating Sissy G do it for you?

[techliam]

Andrade has one of the most paper thin resumes in boxing

I think it’s a bit rich coming from him

[Boxing_1013]

Did not GGG avoid those fighters? Andrade twice! Weren't Lara, Ward, and Saunders at or around 160 asking for a fight? For the last 4 years GGG has been on a Canelo or bum tactic outside of being mandated to fight Jacobs. I just don't get it. How does GGG get credit for fighters avoiding him because he was high risk low reward but not lose credit for avoiding fighters because they were high risk low reward (compared to an Alvarez purse).

My friend...my buddy...lol

I mean asking for a fight...and saying you would fight a guy etc...are a lot different than a guy 'ducking' ya know...I mean all the specifics have to be worked out even if two guys want to fight, especially if at different weight classes etc...so yeah I can honestly say I have never seen a legit case/story of GGG 'avoiding' a guy he was due to fight...most guys will usually take the higher reward/lower risk strategy though, this is true.

Rolls fight was pretty cheap for sure...tune up after a tough fight/tough decision imo...Vanes was short notice after his opponent was found guilty of cheating...so yeah I don't really begrudge him that one...Vanes was always a good fighter anyway so never really understood the over the top criticism for that one...he was a little inactive and moving up in weight, so not ideal...but on short notice when your opponent had to drop out, not that bad to me.

Yeah I agree now he is and has been focused, I would say overly so, on Canelo..but that is the biggest legacy fight for him as well as the money ya know...so I can understand him wanting that one...especially after those two fights which I feel he pretty clearly was the better man...if he was avoiding fighting Canelo I think a lot of the same people giving GGG some flack now would still give him flack, just for different reasons ya know.

But yeah I guess we will agree to disagree on this one...looking forward to Saturday night to see if Andrade can impress or if it's a close fight...I think Sulecki can make it interesting but still probably leaning Andrade.

[Boxing_1013]

Again name one top p4p fighter or even elite fighter!?!?

We are all still waiting for you to " get started"

The best part is that even when ggg fought those "top fighters" everyone said they were tomato cans! So you cant even say they were top when they fought ggg.
Murray?
Maklin?
Adama?
ETC.

All gatekeepers or journey men.
You should remember that passing your opinion as FACTS doesn't make your opinion FACTS.

Ggg never beat anyone p4p - FACTS
Ggg never moved up or down in weight (except for rolls!) but had fighters move up or down for him - FACTS

Ggg own trainer is exposing him now and here you are fighting your hardest to defend a good but not great hype job.
Did you really think ggg was comparable to Tyson? Floyd? Manny? Hagler? Rjj? Hopkins? Or even CANELO? or even WARD? or even COTTO imho?

Sorry! history is screaming that you are wrong. Ggg can still turn it around if he fights and beats someone who isn't a huge underdog against him even look at Vegas odds for any ggg fight. Smart money always had crazy one sided odds on ggg except for Canelo 2!

Are you going to now claim ggg is rich so why does he care? Yes. Canelo made him rich and I'm happy for ggg. Doesn't mean he is what you hope is he is.

I do disagree with a lot of your post, so I will respond...but I think you have me confused with someone else? Not sure lol.

We see all that stuff differently my friend...most notably I would say that Murray was just coming off a 'win' over Martinez in Argentina...so he was a top fighter at that time.

As far as 'elite' fighters...and this is in reference to the part of your response that I bolded as well...almost every great doesn't have multiple fights against other prime great fighters...just very rarely happens.

What great fighter in their prime did Floyd beat? Or Tyson? Or Hagler? They were all great for sure...but as far as great wins...where are they ya know?

As I mentioned previously as well...I think KOing 15 solid fighters all in their primes is just really impressive...most guys have a hiccup in those moments...Hagler vs Watts or Monroe...Hearns twice against Barkley etc...

I would also add that GGG outlanded Canelo/Danny in 27/33 rounds in those fights (3 tied rounds)...obviously the impact of punches counts as well...but GGG was pretty clearly to me landing just as strongly as his opponents in those fights...just strange to me honestly how a guy can be that dominant like that in those fights in a lot of ways and get no real credit for it lol.

But yeah all we can do is call it like we see it my friend...when I analyze GGG's resume/performances vs any other fighter, even ATGs, it stacks up very well imo...a lot of good clear dominant wins by KO...no real blemishes imo...if I saw/see a guy beat him in my view I will give them their props, I will know they earned it.

But yeah I guess agree to disagree here my friend.

[Boxing_1013]

Everyone you named doesn’t even crack top 20 p4p list... the first canelo fight I scored for triple G, second canelo took it to him had him trying fight off the back foot after all that Mexican style talk and broke his face. Point is that a lot of people are making you lost second fight did absolutely nothing in your return to warrant a immediate shot at canelo next, we already saw that fight twice... I personally would rather see a undisputed fight next for canelo or smith at 168lbs next not triple G with his whining ways and fighting crappy opponents like before until he cashes in again

I hear ya..I just think very rarely do two fighters in the top 20 pfp actually fight...especially at their preferred weight ya know...just very rarely happens, now or in history.

On the Canelo fights...I was impressed with Canelo in both fights in different ways...I will just say that all boxing is in my view is scoring punches and their impact...if we start to get into whose style is better or who did xyz better...I mean then we can kind of make a case that a guy won a fight they definitely didn't win.

I think Canelo fought well in fight 2 but round by round GGG is just so active and outlanding him usually...and also often times landing the best shot or shots of the round...so yeah I just saw both those fights as pretty straightforward for GGG.

Canelo held the center of the ring well in the 2nd fight but I don't really the see the POV that he was backing GGG up...5th round he did but I thought GGG boxed very well off the back foot that round, outlanded Canelo by a lot, and scored the best shots...thought that was a clear round for GGG.

But yeah I would like to see it again...I would like them to fight for 30 rounds one night and see who is standing at the end lol...when a guy gets outlanded in 8/11 rounds and barely gets a decision on the cards as the home fighter...I mean I just don't really see the POV that that was a dominant victory.

But as you said there are some other good fights out there for both...so let's see what we get coming up...should be some good ones.

[yoshik]

Yeah but you fight once every other year.

[yoshik]

I do disagree with a lot of your post, so I will respond...but I think you have me confused with someone else? Not sure lol.

We see all that stuff differently my friend...most notably I would say that Murray was just coming off a 'win' over Martinez in Argentina...so he was a top fighter at that time.

As far as 'elite' fighters...and this is in reference to the part of your response that I bolded as well...almost every great doesn't have multiple fights against other prime great fighters...just very rarely happens.

What great fighter in their prime did Floyd beat? Or Tyson? Or Hagler? They were all great for sure...but as far as great wins...where are they ya know?

As I mentioned previously as well...I think KOing 15 solid fighters all in their primes is just really impressive...most guys have a hiccup in those moments...Hagler vs Watts or Monroe...Hearns twice against Barkley etc...

I would also add that GGG outlanded Canelo/Danny in 27/33 rounds in those fights (3 tied rounds)...obviously the impact of punches counts as well...but GGG was pretty clearly to me landing just as strongly as his opponents in those fights...just strange to me honestly how a guy can be that dominant like that in those fights in a lot of ways and get no real credit for it lol.

But yeah all we can do is call it like we see it my friend...when I analyze GGG's resume/performances vs any other fighter, even ATGs, it stacks up very well imo...a lot of good clear dominant wins by KO...no real blemishes imo...if I saw/see a guy beat him in my view I will give them their props, I will know they earned it.

But yeah I guess agree to disagree here my friend.

Easy answer; we no longer have boxing fans we have #fanboysandhaters. Hardly anyone takes the methodical approach you do to analyzing a fight. EXCELLENT job. I primarily use this thread to troll haters and the like. Boxing site threads are so bad it's hard to take any serious anymore. You do an outstanding job.

[Boxing_1013]

Easy answer; we no longer have boxing fans we have #fanboysandhaters. Hardly anyone takes the methodical approach you do to analyzing a fight. EXCELLENT job. I primarily use this thread to troll haters and the like. Boxing site threads are so bad it's hard to take any serious anymore. You do an outstanding job.

Thank you sir...I really appreciate that...I try my best...I unfortunately agree about the state of the fans on here, and the lack of real boxing talk on here at times...wish there would be more of that

[Sweet_Science2]

I mean yeah race I think always helps people relate to guys and root for them...in general it is a good unifying thing but yeah sometimes it can have downsides too...can lead to actively rooting against.

I hear what you're saying on a lot of points...I was impressed with some things Jacobs did in the GGG fight...same with Canelo in his first fight with GGG...and thought Canelo being able to hold the center of the ring with GGG in fight 2 was really impressive.

But I mean fights are scored by punches landed and their impact ya know...so yeah I just think based on what I saw those 3 fights were all straightforward enough for GGG...all I can say I guess is if Jacobs and Canelo fought GGG's fight and vice versa...I would have scored it clearly for them.

Honestly my friend it seems like a lot of your critique of GGG is based on your appreciation for Floyd and Wilder and other guys who may be in your 'tribe'...that's all well and good, i think again that race can be a good unifier and help people come together and get behind certain fighters and relate to them and root for them.

But when scoring a fight I am just looking at what happened in the ring...let the best man win...Floyd was obviously great but the overall circumstances of his fight with Canelo were different than GGG's fight ya know...idk I just don't really get into trying to slight a guy just to try and prop up my guys...I know it is probably tough sometimes but I think I owe it to any man who steps in that ring to treat him equally when they square off.

I think Floyd was great for sure...but there are some valid things to critique about him or his career, just like with any fighter...some people go overboard with the fighter criticisms on here though and are petty with the comments and I think Floyd gets too much sh.it imo...

Regarding Wilder...I think a lot of it is just being able to relate to a fighter, as far as rooting for them...if you can more easily relate to Wilder, you will find it easier to root for him, vs say a GGG...race plays a role in that but I don't necessarily think it has to be a negative thing.

I would say Wilder is really improving and is compiling quite a list of good clear wins on his resume...I love when a guy gets KOs because then there can be very little discussion about who won the fight ya know lol...I also thought the draw vs Fury was fair...Fury didn't do much in the first 6 rounds I felt those were even rounds.

So yeah man I just try to call it like I see it...I understand your frustrations though...some things out there are hard to rationalize but my friendly advice would be to try to not let it bother you and just worry about what you can control...seems to have been Mayweather's mindset overall and look how successful he was, in the ring and out.

Thank you sir. I really respect and appreciate your assessment. You make some valid points and I truly respect that. I wish I could have more conversations like this.

Thanks again.

[Boxing_1013]

Thank you sir. I really respect and appreciate your assessment. You make some valid points and I truly respect that. I wish I could have more conversations like this.

Thanks again.

Thanks my friend I really appreciate that...it is hard to not let some people on here get under your skin...so that can get all of us animated for other discussions on here, which is not ideal...I can definitely relate to that as I've been there.

But yeah in general I enjoy talking boxing so it's nice when we can all do that even if we disagree on some points...thought you made some good points as well.