Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz Jr Does 403,000 UK Buys

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Yes sir!

Here’s the full list of Pay TV figures:

(only including Sky Sports and Primetime (excluding Ali v Henry)

21 May 1966: Muhammad Ali vs. Henry Cooper II – 40,000
16 March 1996: Frank Bruno vs. Mike Tyson II – 600,000
8 February 1997: Naseem Hamed vs. Tom Johnson – 650,000
28 June 1997: Evander Holyfield vs. Mike Tyson II – 550,000
13 March 1999: Evander Holyfield vs. Lennox Lewis – 400,000
29 January 2000: Mike Tyson vs. Julius Francis – 500,000
8 June 2002: Lennox Lewis vs. Mike Tyson – 750,000
8 December 2007: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Ricky Hatton – 1,150,000
18 July 2009: Amir Khan vs. Andreas Kotelnik – 100,000
7 November 2009: Nikolai Valuev vs. David Haye – 469,000
3 April 2010: David Haye vs. John Ruiz – 177,000
24 April 2010: Carl Froch vs. Mikkel Kessler – 50,000
18 September 2010: Kell Brook vs. Michael Jennings – 15,000
13 November 2010: David Haye vs. Audley Harrison – 223,000
11 December 2010: Amir Khan vs. Marcos Maidana – 164,000
16 April 2011: Amir Khan vs. Paul McCloskey – 200,000
21 May 2011: George Groves vs. James DeGale – 43,000
2 July 2011: Wladimir Klitschko vs. David Haye – 1,143,000
25 May 2013: Carl Froch vs. Mikkel Kessler II – 32,000
23 November 2013: Carl Froch vs. George Groves – 47,000
31 May 2014: Carl Froch vs. George Groves II – 355,000
30 May 2015: Kell Brook vs. Frankie Gavin – 139,000
2 May 2015: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao – 876,000
28 November 2015: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Tyson Fury – 545,000
12 December 2015: Anthony Joshua vs. Dillian Whyte – 420,000
27 February 2016: Carl Frampton vs. Scott Quigg – 304,000
9 April 2016: Anthony Joshua vs. Charles Martin – 500,000
25 June 2016: Anthony Joshua vs. Dominic Breazeale – 512,000
10 September 2016: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook – 500,000
10 December 2016: Anthony Joshua vs. Ιric Molina – 450,000
4 March 2017: David Haye vs. Tony Bellew – 890,000
29 April 2017: Anthony Joshua vs. Wladimir Klitschko – 1,532,000
27 May 2017: Kell Brook vs. Errol Spence Jr. – 275,000
26 August 2017: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Conor McGregor – 874,000
28 October 2017 – Anthony Joshua vs. Carlos Takam – 887,000
31 March 2018: Anthony Joshua vs. Joseph Parker – 1,457,000
5 May 2018: David Haye vs. Tony Bellew II – 775,000
28 July 2018: Dillian Whyte vs. Joseph Parker – 474,000

I don’t believe those numbers for a second tbh man. Sky’s recent PPV numbers are completely false IMO.

Literally everyone in this country watched Lewis-Tyson and that was well before streaming was so accessible. There’s no way Haye-Bellew outsold Lewis-Tyson over here. It’s BS Sky propaganda.

[Eff Pandas]

Of course, and I even stated I should have taken the Takam fight into consideration before making my prediction.

Forget the fight breaking records in the UK, that is pretty much a given. But if it even takes place in NY again, it will do 800-900k buys this time around. Now EVERYONE knows who Ruiz is and everyone will be interested in seeing Joshua bounce back from that stoppage loss.

Fury/Schwarz likely didn't even hit the 100k mark, not a chance.

I think its more about Joshua losing then Ruiz being known now, but yea 800k for a US rematch on UK PPV probably is a more reasonable guess this time around.

And yea I could see Fury not doing 100k. Like I said I might be being too optimistic.

If Crawford/Khan barely did in the 150k range stateside, how many buys do you think it did in the UK? 40k max?

Yea lol can't be good. Bud can't draw in the US & idk that Khan is THAT much of a draw in the UK anymore.

And randomly I'm seeing Wilder vs Fury did 420k buys (I don't update my PPV info as often as I should obviously) so they did more for their US fight on UK PPV than Joshua vs Ruiz so I guess its #8 of all time. Its still the most bs fight of all the fights above it so I still think it says more about Joshua's drawing power if he's doing these types of numbers for a fight no one cared about & thats only below HUGE fights or much bigger fights then this fight.

[KTFOKING]

I think its more about Joshua losing then Ruiz being known now, but yea 800k for a US rematch on UK PPV probably is a more reasonable guess this time around.

And yea I could see Fury not doing 100k. Like I said I might be being too optimistic.



Yea lol can't be good. Bud can't draw in the US & idk that Khan is THAT much of a draw in the UK anymore.

And randomly I'm seeing Wilder vs Fury did 420k buys (I don't update my PPV info as often as I should obviously) so they did more for their US fight on UK PPV than Joshua vs Ruiz so I guess its #8 of all time. Its still the most bs fight of all the fights above it so I still think it says more about Joshua's drawing power if he's doing these types of numbers for a fight no one cared about & thats only below HUGE fights or much bigger fights then this fight.

Where did you get the Wilder/Fury numbers from? I've never seen anything on that fight aside from the 450k rumor that keeps getting thrown around.

On aside, the BIGGEST PPV fights EVER have come during the streaming era. Around 2008ish, illegal streams became very popular. And from that time on, you have gotten the biggest PPVs ever, despite the illegal streams. What is the theory behind that?

[kafkod]

Lmao at 450k. The BT box office/ESPN numbers for the weekend of Fury vs Wilder fight was 727,000 (https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/...ewing-summary/) and 2 weeks after that when there was no fight, the numbers were 611,000 (https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/...ewing-summary/).

Fury is a notorious liar and I doubt he did anything close to 450k.

Have to disagree with that. There was a real buzz over Fury/Wilder in the UK. Even more so that for AJ/Ruiz, it seemed to me. So if AJ/Ruiz did 403k, why couldn't Fury/Wilder do a little better?

Fury spouts a lot of bullshit, but he can also be frank and honest sometimes. If he'd been in bullshit mode when he gave out that number, it would probably have been closer to 4.5million than 450k!

[KTFOKING]

I don’t believe those numbers for a second tbh man. Sky’s recent PPV numbers are completely false IMO.

Literally everyone in this country watched Lewis-Tyson and that was well before streaming was so accessible. There’s no way Haye-Bellew outsold Lewis-Tyson over here. It’s BS Sky propaganda.

Those numbers come from BARB, but not sure how accurate BARB is or is not. And really don't know how they come up with their figures.

I mentioned in my prior post, but PPVs have been breaking records post-streaming era. You would think the opposite but the more access people have to illegal streams, the bigger numbers the PPVs do.

I think one reason for that could be tied to the social media era and the promotion fights get on social media. Damn near everyone is now either on social media or surfing the web, and fights get big promotions off that.

[BangEM]

Have to disagree with that. There was a real buzz over Fury/Wilder in the UK. Even more so that for AJ/Ruiz, it seemed to me. So if AJ/Ruiz did 403k, why couldn't Fury/Wilder do a little better?

Fury spouts a lot of bullshit, but he can also be frank and honest sometimes. If he'd been in bullshit mode when he gave out that number, it would probably have been closer to 4.5million than 450k!

Since the number came from Fury, it's as real as Fury's claim that he gave his purse to charity.

If it had been on Sky Sports Box Office, I would begrudgingly accept it. However, BT doesn't have that type of reach. And for a 5am fight on a weekend, on BT, I honestly doubt that figure.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Those numbers come from BARB, but not sure how accurate BARB is or is not. And really don't know how they come up with their figures.

I mentioned in my prior post, but PPVs have been breaking records post-streaming era. You would think the opposite but the more access people have to illegal streams, the bigger numbers the PPVs do.

I think one reason for that could be tied to the social media era and the promotion fights get on social media. Damn near everyone is now either on social media or surfing the web, and fights get big promotions off that.

Yeah I don’t believe that BARB for a second. BARB’s number aren’t legit whatsoever IMO, a poster made a thread about it a while ago.

PPV boxing is definitely doing well over here but there’s no way fights like Bellew-Haye are on par with Mayweather-Hatton, Lewis-Tyson etc. There’s also no way guys like Whyte are drawing similar numbers to Hamed.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803222

[kafkod]

I don’t believe those numbers for a second tbh man. Sky’s recent PPV numbers are completely false IMO.

Literally everyone in this country watched Lewis-Tyson and that was well before streaming was so accessible. There’s no way Haye-Bellew outsold Lewis-Tyson over here. It’s BS Sky propaganda.

Those numbers correspond to the ones given by BARB, who are totally independent of Sky.

[kafkod]

Yeah I don’t believe that BARB for a second. BARB’s number aren’t legit whatsoever IMO, a poster made a thread about it a while ago.

PPV boxing is definitely doing well over here but there’s no way fights like Bellew-Haye are on par with Mayweather-Hatton, Lewis-Tyson etc. There’s also no way guys like Whyte are drawing similar numbers to Hamed.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=803222

That thread should not be taken as gospel truth .. it's just one poster's opinion, nothing more.

It starts like this: "If anyone is not aware, Eddie Hearn has linked a website called BARB.co.uk many times to show the amount of buys for the event."

So where is Eddie supposed to be posting links to BARB?

In fact, I've never heard him reference or even mention them while giving out PPV numbers. He always says that he gets his figures from Sky themselves, not BARB or anybody else.

The numbers Eddie gives are always very close to the ones given by BARB, which is why I believe he is being honest about them.

[USMCer]

That's a bit surprising, when compared to other Joshua PPVs.

I wonder...
How much did the opponent drop out play a factor (losing Jarrell 'Big Baby' Miller)?
How much did the looks of Andy Ruiz's physique play a factor?
How much did the time difference play a factor (was it 3 in the morning)?
How much did it cost? Different pricing?

1 June 2019: Anthony Joshua vs. Andy Ruiz Jr. - 403,000

12 December 2015: Anthony Joshua vs. Dillian Whyte – 420,000
9 April 2016: Anthony Joshua vs. Charles Martin – 500,000
25 June 2016: Anthony Joshua vs. Dominic Breazeale – 512,000
10 December 2016: Anthony Joshua vs. Ιric Molina – 450,000
29 April 2017: Anthony Joshua vs. Wladimir Klitschko – 1,532,000
28 October 2017 – Anthony Joshua vs. Carlos Takam – 887,000
31 March 2018: Anthony Joshua vs. Joseph Parker – 1,457,000