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  • #31
    Originally posted by MAUKboxfan View Post
    Firstly, I'm a Joshua fan so i'm not looking to score points.

    At the final knockdown it seemed as though Joshua wasn't completely out of it, but he was using spitting out his gum shield to gain some extra recovery time?

    Due to either inexperience or arrogance I don't think he thought the referee would wave off the fight and would wait for the shield to be sorted.

    It's a great result for boxing that the referee didn't allow any extra time and called it off.

    I'm gutted Joshua has lost, but I still feel he's taken the bigger risks than Wilder. Sometimes the risks don't pay off.
    I agree. It backfired. Had it been the only time AJ was knocked down in the fight, then typically the referee would have call a halt to the action, to get the gum shield rinsed off and have it put back into the fighter's mouth, while giving him a warning in the process.

    However, this time it was different. Joshua had already been knocked down three previous times before he deliberately spit out his mouthpiece on the canvas; Which indicated that he was done and was ready to check out of the fight.

    He subsequently, went to his corner and looked over his shoulder for assistance from his team. Then proceeded to rest his gloves on the top of the ropes as the referee shouted commands at him with having no gum shield in his mouth.

    Therefore, judging by his body language; AJ was a tired, hurt, defeated and broken fighter. Who was looking for a way out and found it by tapping out. So he basically quit.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Deontay Wilder View Post
      AJ was a MESS in round 7.

      He had no idea of what he was doing.

      If the ref had let it continue, he would've got hurt badly.
      Agree.

      I think spitting out the mouthpiece IS a tactic to get some extra time, but idk that Joshua was of sound mind to be thinking that when he spit out the guard so I'm not sold he did it for that reason. I think he mighta just been trying to get a easier bit of breath or just not thinking at all about it in that way.

      And yea anyone who thought that stoppage was bad wants to see mfers get severely injured or killed in the ring. Joshua had lost. Everyone being reasonable knew that. He was just gonna lose more brain cells for no good reason if the fight continued.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Southpawology View Post
        He doesn't blame him, but he was still shocked when it happened. He was facing the ref and was showing no signs of needing the ref to call it off.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by el*** View Post
          Theyve been doing that forever. First seen Corrales doing that in the Castillo fight. Im sure its been done forever. Ref wasnt playing that chit and told him its time to fight, you dont get no extra break for spitting it out.
          Acelino Freitas did it during his fight with Corrales and Corrales complained about it, then in his next fight, Corrales does it against Castillo.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Bmore18 View Post
            Yes he was absolutely gassed. I dont think Ruiz has that much power and really hurt AJ, but just outworked him, AJ got tired and tried to buy time with the mouthguard, then finally quit.
            I really don’t think he was intentionally wasting time because the right ref rightfully called it off. If he has been wasting time he would have ensured he was ready within then ten count and then the ref gives him extra time putting the shield back in. That never happened, he didn’t appear aware enough to know exactly where the count was at

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            • #36
              Dropped four times and got a 20-count from a non-UK referee. Come on.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
                Diego Corrales got away of spitting his gum shield out a few times and never gets called out about it.

                Uh he got more heat than AJ did for sure.

                The announcers were talking about it. The boxing forums were talking all about it.

                Do people regularly talk about it in 2019? no because it was more than 10 years ago at this point. Of course we are talking about AJ pulling that chit because he did it yesterday.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Sid-Knee View Post
                  Didn't notice that myself if i'm being honest. I'll watch again to see.

                  But it was a bullshlt stoppage. I was shocked when the ref stopped it like that.
                  Yeah, the ref should have stopped it when AJ walked to the corner after the ref hit 8.

                  You get an 8-count then you walk to the ref and show the ref you're steady.

                  You walk away from him after the 8 count, you should be counted out.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by OCPancho View Post
                    Yeah, the ref should have stopped it when AJ walked to the corner after the ref hit 8.

                    You get an 8-count then you walk to the ref and show the ref you're steady.

                    You walk away from him after the 8 count, you should be counted out.
                    Yeah bro, and to top it off he spit his mouth piece out during the count, before walking away.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Dean_Razorback View Post




                      joshua was done
                      Great clip. I remember seeing that body shot and clapping for it. At that point in the fight, I knew that body shot was going to be highly effective

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