P4P idiots of NSB?

[CubanGuyNYC]

What were your concerns?

Natural bodybuilding is hardly even tested. Most of those guys don't bother to even come off as the chances of being tested are minimal. But even if they are they're notified usually so they can have time to mask. Some guys do compete naturally but it's few and far between.



Floyd is a surefire case of someone who was taking PEDs. We can't prove it of course, and we'll never know as a matter of fact, but, everything points to very obvious PED use, in my informed opinon.

It's not a knock on him, vast majority of athletes use PEDs. Hell, most guys in your local gym use PEDs. It's pretty normal these days, the stigma is dying down with more information and science. I encourage it to all my guys (If they have the physical base first) under the right guidance. It's really not a big deal.

Of course that's not the case if someone were to compete in a sport where it's banned. Especially boxing where PED use should be banned.



Absolutely, by a huge margin.

Your test levels will rapidly drop naturally as you age, that's just life, PED use or not.

Someone older is going to have low test levels on all test parameters, it's unavoidable. I would strongly encourage ANYONE to go onto a TRT dose when they are up in age, in fact it would be foolish not to.

You can get it prescribed by a doctor. Especially in America where they're much more understanding in that regard. If you haven't already I would book an appointment.

My main concern was my job. A random drug test would’ve flushed my career down the toilet. Lol

I’ve known a lot of people over the years who’ve used PEDs. The guys that used real gear looked it. In recent times, a couple of buddies have started TRT. Their experience doesn’t seem very encouraging. I’ve asked my GP about it. She dismisses TRT as drug company propaganda. Haha

As I rapidly approach my sixties, I continue to train in various disciplines fairly hard. I estimate I’ve lost about eight pounds of solid muscle from my peak, due to sarcopenia; but I’m pretty satisfied with the way my body looks, especially for my age. My strength levels in the weight room have definitely diminished, but I don’t hit it that hard anymore because my muscles, tendons, joints and ligaments have understandably degraded over time. Other than that, my sexual vitality is insane (lol); and my holistic training regimen has kept me fit and fast. I’d certainly like to improve (who wouldn’t?), but I don’t know if TRT would provide me with enough **** for my buck.

Thanks for your input on this, BTW, Dan.

[IronDanHamza]

My main concern was my job. A random drug test would’ve flushed my career down the toilet. Lol

I’ve known a lot of people over the years who’ve used PEDs. The guys that used real gear looked it. In recent times, a couple of buddies have started TRT. Their experience doesn’t seem very encouraging. I’ve asked my GP about it. She dismisses TRT as drug company propaganda. Haha

As I rapidly approach my sixties, I continue to train in various disciplines fairly hard. I estimate I’ve lost about eight pounds of solid muscle from my peak, due to sarcopenia; but I’m pretty satisfied with the way my body looks, especially for my age. My strength levels in the weight room have definitely diminished, but I don’t hit it that hard anymore because my muscles, tendons, joints and ligaments have understandably degraded over time. Other than that, my sexual vitality is insane (lol); and my holistic training regimen has kept me fit and fast. I’d certainly like to improve (who wouldn’t?), but I don’t know if TRT would provide me with enough **** for my buck.

Thanks for your input on this, BTW, Dan.

I find that staggering. I would suggest you insist with your doctor. Or at least request getting your bloods done extensively so you can see where your test levels are at. Then you can go from there.

You can always get test on the black market, it's just finding a reliable source. I'm sure your gym owner or someone in your gym that you know will have a source.

Can't understand why your mates TRT journey's haven't gone well, I can't see any reason as to why it would be anything be very positive and beneficial.

You sound like you're in good shape already, like I said if it's me, I'd strongly recommend TRT. There is no down side to it.

[Roadblock]

It's a PED that assists mostly with body fat loss.

Can also assist with muscle gain during that process.

It's a very popular drug for Pro Bodybuilders whilst in prep for a show when they are getting stage ready, as it is a rapid fat burner.

I have used Clen myself countless times, I'd often refer to it as a miracle drug as out of all the fat burning PED's on the market, Clen is by far the most efficient and powerful. But, with that also comes the strongest side effects. It's not a comfortable drug to use but it's definitely worth it if you want to maximize performance.

There is not a PED better for a boxer who is cutting weight.

When we used Clen on dogs it gave them enormous air, they could breathe underwater was a running joke in the day, that was the biggest effect I seen on a dog and being a vasodilator that made sense, over a period of 9 wks there was no weight reduction in the the dog or any extra muscle gain, why I like to reference dogs is there is no placebo effect at all and many Peds are tried on dogs before people, I remember they were using all this stuff in the 70s with pit dogs.

[Gaydrien Boner]

I mean you're entitled to your opinion.

The fact remains he is a convicted drug cheat. That is the long and short of it. He was caught using PEDs.

As for the last part, about the chances of him using Clen to cut weight are "very low", that's just patently false. I would say it's quite the opposite and the chances are very high.

Ok why don't you call out on Floyd Mayweather, Benavidez or Tyson fury for nandrolone, xylocaine and *******

[IronDanHamza]

Ok why don't you call out on Floyd Mayweather, Benavidez or Tyson fury for nandrolone, xylocaine and *******

Are you not following mate? I've called out Mayweather IN THIS THREAD. That's how the PED talk started in the first place.

Just because other fighters have been caught using PED's, or suspected of doing PED's, doesn't somehow change the fact Canelo is a convicted drug cheat.

They're all under the same umbrella.

[Gaydrien Boner]

Are you not following mate? I've called out Mayweather IN THIS THREAD. That's how the PED talk started in the first place.

Just because other fighters have been caught using PED's, or suspected of doing PED's, doesn't somehow change the fact Canelo is a convicted drug cheat.

They're all under the same umbrella.

Obviously it doesn't change the fact also second thing is clenbuterol in beef is a problem in Mexico and he tested positive for trace amount of clenbuterol which isn't enough to do **** to Álvarez he is naturally skilled don't think he is a flat footed one dimentional fighter

[IronDanHamza]

Obviously it doesn't change the fact also second thing is clenbuterol in beef is a problem in Mexico and he tested positive for trace amount of clenbuterol which isn't enough to do **** to Álvarez he is naturally skilled don't think he is a flat footed one dimentional fighter

It doesn't matter if he tested positive for a trace. Most positive PED tests are a trace.

He tested positive for a PED. That's the long and short of it.

[Cypocryphy]

When we used Clen on dogs it gave them enormous air, they could breathe underwater was a running joke in the day, that was the biggest effect I seen on a dog and being a vasodilator that made sense, over a period of 9 wks there was no weight reduction in the the dog or any extra muscle gain, why I like to reference dogs is there is no placebo effect at all and many Peds are tried on dogs before people, I remember they were using all this stuff in the 70s with pit dogs.

clen is a goto for semi-pro and pro bodybuilders because it's cheap and because it is nearly unique in its ability to be a stimulant and pseudo-anabolic. It's arguably the best at getting shredded and maintaining your muscle mass. Some allege that they were able to increase their strength while cutting.

This is why I find it entirely believable that boxers use this drug to help make weight and keeping all they gains they made in preparation.

[Gaydrien Boner]

It doesn't matter if he tested positive for a trace. Most positive PED tests are a trace.

He tested positive for a PED. That's the long and short of it.

Yep also don't get pissed off at me but Pacquiao, Marquez and Golovkin look roided to the gills one time in their career I especially say it to JMM and Pacquiao because how the hell can Marquez look like a ****ing bodybuilder at 40 years old and Pacquiao how the absolute hell did he move up from flyweight to junior middleweight and knocking MF's out but suddenly the power disappeared after the JMM fight

[IronDanHamza]

Yep also don't get pissed off at me but Pacquiao, Marquez and Golovkin look roided to the gills one time in their career I especially say it to JMM and Pacquiao because how the hell can Marquez look like a ****ing bodybuilder at 40 years old and Pacquiao how the absolute hell did he move up from flyweight to junior middleweight and knocking MF's out but suddenly the power disappeared after the JMM fight

Well yeah, I'd consider both Pacquaio and Marquez to be very su****ious cases.

But we'll never know the truth of it unless they admit it.