Comments Thread For: Thurman on PEDs: Let Pacquaio Take Whatever the F*** He Wants!

[Curtis Harper]

When it's a-side meth they were claiming?? You would think this is all of Floyd's weird ways just to disrupt camp and be intrusive in the heat of training. Don't blame pac for not going for the okeee doke. Nothing professional here.

No one needs a cutoff date.

[Bluebird]

[QUOTE=Curtis Harper;19775249]

I know. I should mind my own business ......

But 2015 ?!?!? If the accusations and rumors are still that after 4 years....I mean, look around, everyone here is accusing someone of something.

As for paying off Pac, how else could May have proven him to be roided if Pac refused to roll up the sleeves unless given a cutoff date ???

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports...quiao-lawsuit/
Mayweather told to pay $114,000 in Pacquiao lawsuit

Mayweather was ordered to pay $114,000.00 for his refusal to appear for his court ordered deposition, because he was afraid to answer Pac's lawyers' questions. But that was nothing, when Pac's lawyers began demanding documents regarding Mayweather's drug test through USADA and NSAC, Mayweather's people quickly agreed to settle a defamation lawsuit with Pacquiao -- and for more money than what Pac's team was expecting to get from them ( it was rumored that Mayweather failed drug test for 3 consecutive fights but was granted "the****utic use exemptions" TUE ) by USADA.

Mayweather was demanding "Olympic style" drug testing which was not mandatory in professional boxing, so Pac had the option not to take it and just take the professional boxing drug test instead.
He couldn't prove his allegations based on su****ions alone. If you want to accuse people, you better come up with proof, otherwise you would get embarrassed and lose a lot of money ( in his case ). I guess he found out the hard way.

[pasawayako]

but Floyd did nothing even remotely close to gaining more than 12 pounds of muscle..... and then skipping through THREE divisions in NINE months (lol)..... as well as DOUBLING his punch-output

no, of course he didn't..... even Jones could not do that

Lol. lol. 12lbs of muscle? lol. maybe what u mean is Pac go up 12lbs just to fight the welterweights that's why he's too small compared to WW, he's even smaller than most of the 140lbs fighter. Pac was fighting giants since 2008.

Pac is like a midget compared to floyd. lmao

[Ca$ual Fan]

Malignaggi is just a loser who is not worth paying attention to, he couldn't even beat Broner and Khan, he even accused Khan of using PEDs after Khan humiliated him in the ring. He was just hoping Pac would get pissed off and fight him so he could get a Pac payday but Pac would never pay attention to a loser like him.

People shouldn't take into Malignaggi's words. This is the same guy who criticized Pac alot for not taking the test but changed his tune when he was lined up to be Pac's next possible opponent (pre Clottey). He even said Pac doesn't need to take a test against him and he himself would take a test every day including fight night.

You slap money on this guy and he will shut the hell up. This guy has no credential.

[kushking]

Can we please all just accept that all the hair follicle test proved is that hair follicle tests don't work.

Canelo had two tests where clenbuterol was shown to be in his system.

A couple months later a hair follicle test was done. Drug residues are supposed to show up in hair follicle tests up to two years later, but the test failed to show traces of the clenbuterol that was known to be in his system just months before. Ergo the follicle test failed to identify a substance that was known to be in his system - ie the follicle test just showed itself to be unreliable.

These are just plain simple facts, either the follicle test was unreliable, or the two VADA tests were. Can't have it both ways.

Actually it sounds like you know very lil about drug testing or peds. The fact is clen is not even a real ped,theres a reason fifa concluded that it had no ped benefit especially at any amount such as the infintisemal amount nelo tested for.
So can you please stop with this nonsense about him being a cheat, just because you want to discredit who you don't like don't cling to the weakest argument ever(I'll explain why its weak argument)


2nd of all follicle tests were ordered by nsac for a reason,they most certainly do work far better than any other testing because they can go back up to a yr at least or more & if an athlete was actually doping with peds it would immediately show up in hair(the reason clen didn't show in hair but did in urine was because it was a few molecules amount consistent with mexican meat & because vada testing is capable of detecting a single molecule such as when it failed a tennis star for ******* because he kissed a women in the club who was on it,he later proved his innocence & was cleared just like nelo & vada agreed it was a single molecule basically)
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...******-cas-ban


& in canelos case he failed 2 test 3 days apart for infitisemal amounts of the weakest so called ped that has been proven to be in majority of mexican meat & which has caused false positives on countless athletes that have niether any reason to cheat with clen,& whom have been stringently tested their entire careers. An athlete can clean their system for peds before testing but cannot hide it in their hair if they were actually doping aka taking sizable doses(its ******ed to think Canelo was doping on the weakest "ped" but supposedly only took a tiny ass infitisemal amount that would've been like eating ped tacos to gain advantage several mos out from his fight,& consider the fact hes demanded VADA every fight since far before most others & could've doped before 1st ggg fight had he chosen to because chavez jr was demanding a different testing company because heroidia can't beat vada,but Canelo refused to switch to non vada)

A Actual ped cheat would not take a hair follicle test because it shows ALL true doping as in amounts that do a difference as opposed to amount canelo had which was completely consistent with mex meat. Clen cheats wouldn't do it during vada,they wouldn't take tiny dosages of weakest ped & they would've flushed it out especially.(all that would show up)

If canelos a cheat then so are 99% of fighters whos testing resume pales in comparison.

[kushking]

....

Just so you know,I am a very experienced medical professional,I have national registry certifications in emt-paramedic, phlebotomy,Ekg, medical aspects of drugs & alcohol & I have administered countless drug tests & blood test to countless athletes. I used to train daily with golden gloves fighters that have since gone pro & had great success such as Rocco Santamauro who faced diego de la hoya a few yrs ago. I have countless posts where I was defending fighters for popping dirty for clen if they were competing/training in mexico way before canelo.

I was rediculed then too,but I know & have always said its complete bs that VADA & its Ilk don't forbid fighters from eating meat if their training/living in mexico yet they count it as a dirty test anyways at any amount. Canelo had never trained in mexico in last 10 fights or so but decided to because the mexican media/haters were saying hes a traitor, whitewashed etc. & he suddenly got popped with clen. Imagine being called a cheat just because you went out with president Clinton of all ppl to a fancy restaurant. Well thats what happened to Canelo,the same restaurant was among the countless that FIFA had tested & determined they sell Clenbuterol containing meat despite being a ultra fancy restaurant.

That was back in 2011,when fifa determined the majority of meat in mexico contained clen & that it didn't matter because clen is not even an actual ped. According to your logic most the u17 wc players were also cheating with weak ass clen,(& the mex team was among only ones who warent contaminated because they had it specifically flown in)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...is-summer.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...rticle-6167753

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/new...fs-up-defense/

[Dosumpthin]

[QUOTE=Bluebird;19777611]

Mayweather was ordered to pay $114,000.00 for his refusal to appear for his court ordered deposition, because he was afraid to answer Pac's lawyers' questions. But that was nothing, when Pac's lawyers began demanding documents regarding Mayweather's drug test through USADA and NSAC, Mayweather's people quickly agreed to settle a defamation lawsuit with Pacquiao -- and for more money than what Pac's team was expecting to get from them ( it was rumored that Mayweather failed drug test for 3 consecutive fights but was granted "the****utic use exemptions" TUE ) by USADA.

Mayweather was demanding "Olympic style" drug testing which was not mandatory in professional boxing, so Pac had the option not to take it and just take the professional boxing drug test instead.
He couldn't prove his allegations based on su****ions alone. If you want to accuse people, you better come up with proof, otherwise you would get embarrassed and lose a lot of money ( in his case ). I guess he found out the hard way.

Maybe you dont know, but every article/link you've posted quote a single source "SB nation article..." or "according to Thomas Hauser...".




If you did any research you'd find USADA released 2000 pages of Floyd's medical records. Which confirms Thomas Hauser speculation as to why all parties reached a settlement is FALSE.


If you did a bit more research you'd find that it was team Pac who refused to provide adequate medical history on numerous occasions during the defemation case.



Stop spreading rumors and false information.


I gave you simple quotes (not rumors or speculation) for you to digest.

1. 2010 Mayweathers specifically claimed Pac used METH.

2. Pac sued and won for defemation of character in 2012.

3. In 2016 Manny publicly disclosed his previous drug history that includes METH.


Nothing more to it. Pac lied.

[Bluebird]

[QUOTE=Dosumpthin;19778553]

Maybe you dont know, but every article/link you've posted quote a single source "SB nation article..." or "according to Thomas Hauser...".




If you did any research you'd find USADA released 2000 pages of Floyd's medical records. Which confirms Thomas Hauser speculation as to why all parties reached a settlement is FALSE.


If you did a bit more research you'd find that it was team Pac who refused to provide adequate medical history on numerous occasions during the defemation case.



Stop spreading rumors and false information.


I gave you simple quotes (not rumors or speculation) for you to digest.

1. 2010 Mayweathers specifically claimed Pac used METH.

2. Pac sued and won for defemation of character in 2012.

3. In 2016 Manny publicly disclosed his previous drug history that includes METH.


Nothing more to it. Pac lied.

His previous history that includes meth as a homeless boy sleeping in cardboard boxes in the street doesn’t count and there was no medical record for a homeless boy. They’re just after Pac’s previous drug history as a professional boxer which was nonexistent, otherwise the Mayweathers could have presented some evidence. The Mayweathers were the ones who were shady:
1. Didn’t Mayweather Sr. go to jail for drug smuggling/dealing?
2. Didn’t Mayweather Jr. get caught using IV (maybe to mask PEDs?) right before the Pac fight?

[Dosumpthin]

His previous history that includes meth as a homeless boy sleeping in cardboard boxes in the street doesn’t count and there was no medical record for a homeless boy. They’re just after Pac’s previous drug history as a professional boxer which was nonexistent, otherwise the Mayweathers could have presented some evidence. The Mayweathers were the ones who were shady:
1. Didn’t Mayweather Sr. go to jail for drug smuggling/dealing?
2. Didn’t Mayweather Jr. get caught using IV (maybe to mask PEDs?) right before the Pac fight?

Your love for Pac has you missing a simple point.

Had Pacqiaou disclosed his previous drug use l, especially meth, there would be no defamation. Period.

As Pacqiaou sat in the courtroom do you think he forgot about smoking meth?(which is classified as a PED by WADA)

No he lied. And stop with the little homeless boy or amatuer crap. Pacquiao cleary states up until he became champion.

As far as the attacks on Floyd's FAMILY members - he doesnt chose his family.

Unlike Pacquiao who VOLNTARILY chooses to be best friends with crimelords. Ever wonder who that guy is that is on stage during press runs? Do some research.

[Bluebird]

Your love for Pac has you missing a simple point.

Had Pacqiaou disclosed his previous drug use l, especially meth, there would be no defamation. Period.

As Pacqiaou sat in the courtroom do you think he forgot about smoking meth?(which is classified as a PED by WADA)

No he lied. And stop with the little homeless boy or amatuer crap. Pacquiao cleary states up until he became champion.

As far as the attacks on Floyd's FAMILY members - he doesnt chose his family.

Unlike Pacquiao who VOLNTARILY chooses to be best friends with crimelords. Ever wonder who that guy is that is on stage during press runs? Do some research.

This was from the link you posted:

The boxer has reportedly been friends with President Duterte for over 15 years, but the president was apparently unaware that he used drugs as a young man, including meth, marijuana and *******. ("Shabu," another name for meth, is reportedly the most abused drug in the country.) The boxer said he used drugs “for years,” but only during his youth, long before he “became a champion.”

It clearly says " The boxer said he used drugs for years, but only during his youth, long before he became a champion", so don't twist it around saying "up until he became a champion".

And also, I'm not attacking Floyd's family, I was attacking his dad who was one of the main accusers. In case you don't know, Floyd used to enjoy watching Pac fight, it was one of those Pac vs Morales fights, he only started to hate Pac when he started jumping weight classes, beating the bigger guys like De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto and became a threat to him, his dad and uncle poisoned his mind and that's when they accused Pac of using peds.

They claimed Pac was on PEDs because he was jumping weight classes and beating big guys, that's why Pac sued them, and they could not produce any proof, they knew their not gonna win the case based on su****ions alone so they did not have any choice, if they don't settle, it would cost them more.

Pac doing drugs in his youth was irrelevant to the case, otherwise, the Mayweathers would have used that to counter sue when Pac said he used drugs in his youth, long before he became a champion.