Comments Thread For: Thurman on PEDs: Let Pacquaio Take Whatever the F*** He Wants!

[Dosumpthin]

"Long before I became a champion”, not up until I became a champion. That’s where you got it all mixed up. He was being accused as a professional boxer jumping weight classes to beat the bigger boxers not as a homeless boy using meth, homeless boys on drugs cannot sue anybody for defamation, they just don’t have any reputation to protect and nobody would pay attention. That’s why it doesn’t count, now if he used drugs as a professional boxer and they could prove it, it will make a difference but that’s not the case.

If Manny said "before I became a boxer" or even "became a professional" then I would agree.

But that's not what he said.

"Before I became Champion" implies anytime before a specific career achievement.


That's like you telling your boss "I've tried all types of drugs long before I was promoted to cashier"

Think you'd still have a job? No. The implication would be you were high while on Fry duty.


Time to accept it. I know this Meth use is new information and it's hard to digest. But your boy Pac is a liar.

We both know the defemation lawsuit was fraudlent.

[Bluebird]

If Manny said "before I became a boxer" or even "became a professional" then I would agree.

But that's not what he said.

"Before I became Champion" implies anytime before a specific career achievement.


That's like you telling your boss "I've tried all types of drugs long before I was promoted to cashier"

Think you'd still have a job? No. The implication would be you were high while on Fry duty.


Time to accept it. I know this Meth use is new information and it's hard to digest. But your boy Pac is a liar.

We both know the defemation lawsuit was fraudlent.

Mayweather jr. is a very smart businessman, why do you think he didn’t do anything when Pac said he used drugs long before he became a champion even if he said it years after the settlement? That’s because he knew Pac’s life story from the time he was homeless until he became his greatest rival. He knew Pac didn’t have a single positive test result as a professional boxer so it’s time to let it go.

[pasawayako]

1)
FACT: Pac killed a SUPER-FIGHT by refusing random blood tests....
FACT: random blood tests are completely harmless
FACT: there is ONLY one reason to avoid random blood tests
FACT: in the amateurs, if you avoid/obstruct a drug test, you.....
* are immediately judged guilty
* you are stripped
* you are banned




2)
Pacquiao gave a grand total of 8 ridiculous excuses to avoid random blood tests, which is beyond absurd..... we needed one genuine reason, but we got 8 childish excuses..... the only reason why we got 8 childish excuses, is because there was no genuine reason

then SUDDENLY, those 8 ridiculous excuses up and disappeared without a trace, and were never mentioned ONCE when Pac finally agreed to testing

come on kid, tell us which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses you believed..... this will be funny..... come on, tell us which one of those ridiculous excuses worked for you, so that we can see how you roll


3)
FACT: Pac has the 2nd highest recorded weight-gain in boxing history at 40lbs

the highest recorded weight-gain in recorded history is 41lbs....

and it was made by a HEAVYWEIGHT who used steroids to get there

FACT: Pacquiao is a fkn midget compared to Roy Jones Jnr..... when Jones gained 41lbs, he was cheating...... and yet when Pacquiao gained 40lbs, you think that he was clean..... right ?

it is soooo clearly obvious what happened, but not to you, right?

Pac is the size of one of Jones legs, you muppet


4)
immediately after the second Marquez fight, Manny Steward stated that Pac should consider retiring..... he said that Manny looked shopworn and had been in too many wars.....

Manny then linked up with Alex Ariza

immediately following Pac's next fight against David Diaz, Steward was gushing with praise, saying that Manny looked rejuvenated/revitalized, and a completely different fighter

and NO, Steward was not throwing Manny under a bus, he was simply commenting on what he saw

what happened next..... ? here, let me remind you.....

Pac then skipped through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... seemingly increasing his speed/power and (get this) punch output..... while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf?

you know absolutely nothing about boxing if that does not seem su****ious to you

Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests

LMAO

5)
a number of knowledgeable insiders, all of which are extremely knowledgeable and extremely experienced, have stated that Pacquiao was juicing..... from Atlas to Mayweather to Malignaggi to Mosley, and a number of fighters in/around wildcard

it is only you who failed to notice..... why is that ?

All you just said are BS not a single one is true. The only truth is floyd waa scared to fight a prime pac he make an unprecedented request that he had never been done in his previous 40 fights. Sorry floyd has the history of ducking fights that's why everyone isn't surprise that he ducked a prime pac.

[Ca$ual Fan]

If Manny said "before I became a boxer" or even "became a professional" then I would agree.

But that's not what he said.

"Before I became Champion" implies anytime before a specific career achievement.


That's like you telling your boss "I've tried all types of drugs long before I was promoted to cashier"

Think you'd still have a job? No. The implication would be you were high while on Fry duty.


Time to accept it. I know this Meth use is new information and it's hard to digest. But your boy Pac is a liar.

We both know the defemation lawsuit was fraudlent.

You tried to make some technicalities just to come up with this sshit?

The point of argument was whether Manny was juicing in boxing matches, not whether he committed a crime before or whether he was a drug addict.

Your argument is so laughable.

If that's your case then eX-convicts should not be allowed to join the sport

[Dosumpthin]

Mayweather jr. is a very smart businessman, why do you think he didn’t do anything when Pac said he used drugs long before he became a champion even if he said it years after the settlement? That’s because he knew Pac’s life story from the time he was homeless until he became his greatest rival. He knew Pac didn’t have a single positive test result as a professional boxer so it’s time to let it go.

Reversing a settlement agreement is nearly impossible! not to mention the associated lawyer fees for such a task. To recover what amount exactly? But I'm willing to bet it would less than what Floyd makes off Manny right now. You know since Floyd is virtually Mannys boss now.


Doesnt matter though.


My point still is the same, Manny LIED about his drug history and only came clean in 2016. All of the excuses or reasoning you provided as to why/when Manny used meth DOES NOT EXONERATE MANNY FROM LYING ABOUT IT. Also lying about it speaks volumes to his character.


Now combine that lying trait with some other key factors.....

1. Refusing random blood test 2010
2. Still avoiding testing in 2019
3. Cheating scales (metal in shoes to make weight)
4. Concealing/lying about meth use
5. Caught trying to inject toradol/lidocaine/celestone(24 hour ban) mixture before Floyd fight

Just to scratch the surface.

[aboutfkntime]

All you just said are BS not a single one is true. The only truth is floyd waa scared to fight a prime pac he make an unprecedented request that he had never been done in his previous 40 fights. Sorry floyd has the history of ducking fights that's why everyone isn't surprise that he ducked a prime pac.

which of those 5 points, did you find more impossible to answer?

was it this one..... ?

Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests LMAO

[sargo]

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[WholeSoul75]

which of those 5 points, did you find more impossible to answer?

was it this one..... ?

Pac started blood test after Marquez. It was vs Rios a few fights after clottey.

[Bluebird]

Reversing a settlement agreement is nearly impossible! not to mention the associated lawyer fees for such a task. To recover what amount exactly? But I'm willing to bet it would less than what Floyd makes off Manny right now. You know since Floyd is virtually Mannys boss now.


Doesnt matter though.


My point still is the same, Manny LIED about his drug history and only came clean in 2016. All of the excuses or reasoning you provided as to why/when Manny used meth DOES NOT EXONERATE MANNY FROM LYING ABOUT IT. Also lying about it speaks volumes to his character.


Now combine that lying trait with some other key factors.....

1. Refusing random blood test 2010
2. Still avoiding testing in 2019
3. Cheating scales (metal in shoes to make weight)
4. Concealing/lying about meth use
5. Caught trying to inject toradol/lidocaine/celestone(24 hour ban) mixture before Floyd fight

Just to scratch the surface.

We can go back and forth with this conversation but the outcome is still the same, and it will never change, Pac won the lawsuit through settlement.

Now about the drug testing, if it’s not mandatory, the guy has the option not to do it, it wasn’t his fault because it’s them who made the rules, what they can do is make it mandatory for every single boxer without any exceptions and not let them fight without taking the test, that’s the only way it will work.

Working with Al Haymon/Mayweather is the best thing that ever happened to Pac at this point in his boxing career. He just made a total of $20 million ($10 million + another $10 million from other sources) for the Broner fight.

For the Thurman fight, he is guaranteed to make a minimum of $20 million, so he made the right decision to work with Haymon/Mayweather. I guess it’s better for the 2 best boxers of their generation to get along and work together, it will benefit both of them.

[pasawayako]

which of those 5 points, did you find more impossible to answer?

was it this one..... ?

Sorry bro. pac never refused any test it was floyd who refused to fight a prime pac.