Comments Thread For: Thurman on PEDs: Let Pacquaio Take Whatever the F*** He Wants!

[Ca$ual Fan]

yea but Dunn did not kill a super-fight by refusing a harmless blood test and come away looking like a drug-cheat

I wasn't talking about the failed superfight I was talking about the logic for his drug accusations or whatever it is he's making a case for.

[abracada]

If there is no USADA Or Vada testing for the fight then I can’t be sure the fighters are clean

Reckon 90% of all boxers on PEDs. They simply out science and outdo the testers.

[MulaKO]

Reckon 90% of all boxers on PEDs. They simply out science and outdo the testers.

You sir , are 100% correct
This is exactly the way I feel
Never surprised when someone gets busted

[Bluebird]

ummm, I told you this before and I will tell you again...

" he has never tested positive " is just a silly illogical excuse

1) Pac refused to test during the suspect years
2) EVERY fighter EVER, who tested positive..... "never tested positive", until they got caught..... so that it just a silly excuse

your entire defence consisted of..... 1) "you can't prove it"..... 2) change the subject to Marquez

if you do not find it su****ious - or at least HIGHLY SURPRISING - that Manny gained 12lbs of muscle as he skipped through THREE divisions in 9 months, DOUBLING his punch-output..... then you have not been following this sport for very long

Mayweather paying Pac to settle the lawsuit says it all, it’s an admission that he wrongfully accused Pac of using PEDs, otherwise he would have proven it for the whole world to see instead of backing off like a scared dog who tucks its tail between its legs. Case closed!

[D4thincarnation]

You have in no way questioned the fact there is no Vada or USADA testing for this fight. The lack of testing for this fight has no bearing on fights from the past.

No you haven’t derailed the thread because I am not allowing you to. It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks about other fighters. Thurman’s comments are about this fight only, not any other. You bring up other guys because manny looks bad.

The lack of Vada or USADA testing for this fight has nothing to do with any boxer not named Manny Pacquiao or Keith Thurman.

If you ask about any other boxers I consider that a pathetic attempt to derail the thread. I choose not to answer it out of respect for the TS and the topic he wanted to discuss.

Have some respect for other posters. Set aside your personal agenda of protecting manny by attacking other fighters and stick to the topic.

There is no reason any fight in 2019 shouldn’t have Vada or USADA testing. Bringing up another fighter doesn’t change this.

I'm questioning your assertions that you can't be sure that fighters are clean with no VADA or USADA testing.

We are accountable for our words and if we make statements we should be man enough to defend them.

As usual you fail that test just like your arguments.

It shows you are a hack and don't believe in your own words because you can't and won't defend them.

[aboutfkntime]

Mayweather paying Pac to settle the lawsuit says it all, it’s an admission that he wrongfully accused Pac of using PEDs, otherwise he would have proven it for the whole world to see instead of backing off like a scared dog who tucks its tail between its legs. Case closed!

no, it was not

the lawsuit was intended to create "friction" between both camps, to prevent the possibility of a successful negotiation..... and to create sympathy in the media

want proof..... ?

Mayweather made insinuations..... well, whoop-de-shlt..... because Atlas and Malignaggi both called Pacquiao a dirty steroid cheat

Q. why didn't Pac sue Atlas and Malignaggi ?

A. Pac was not trying to avoid Atlas and Malignaggi

FACT: Manny could have simply taken the harmless blood tests..... just like everyone else did..... and just like he agreed to eventually

it is funny that the ridiculous show-stopping excuses Manny used to justify killing a super-fight were never even mentioned ONCE when he finally agreed to random blood testing years later..... proving how ridiculous and unnecessary all of those silly excuses were back in 2010

[diplo]

no, it was not

the lawsuit was intended to create "friction" between both camps, to prevent the possibility of a successful negotiation..... and to create sympathy in the media

want proof..... ?

Mayweather made insinuations..... well, whoop-de-shlt..... because Atlas and Malignaggi both called Pacquiao a dirty steroid cheat

Q. why didn't Pac sue Atlas and Malignaggi ?

A. Pac was not trying to avoid Atlas and Malignaggi

FACT: Manny could have simply taken the harmless blood tests..... just like everyone else did..... and just like he agreed to eventually

it is funny that the ridiculous show-stopping excuses Manny used to justify killing a super-fight were never even mentioned ONCE when he finally agreed to random blood testing years later..... proving how ridiculous and unnecessary all of those silly excuses were back in 2010

Lots of things are 'highly surprising'. But the burden of proof is on you. Otherwise we can just presume that anyone is doping and just not being caught. It was 'highly surprising' that Miller was able to maintain such a punch output and stamina etc, without much question, up to the point where he got caught.

The whole Pacquiao refusing to agree to whatever blood tests, I felt was more down to ego than anything, i.e. he/TR didn't want to lie down and comply with whatever Mayweather wanted. Yeah he could have been refusing because he had something to hide. But we'll never know will we. So all you have is that it's 'highly surprising'. Solid argument.

To clarify, I'm neither a Pacquiao or Mayweather fanboy. Just saying it the way I saw things.

[Jab jab boom]

You said call it how it is regardless of who the boxer is? You should practice what you preach, you said groupies close their eyes to what everyone else can see, and how can you see something you cannot prove? Innocent until proven guilty, that’s the American way, otherwise, you should consider moving to a communist country because you have that kind of mentality.

This isn't the court of law so innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply. Pac has refused drug tests in the past citing that he was scared of needles or that taking blood weakens him, with all of the ped use going on today , why isn't he as the A side insisting on testing for this fight ? Why was Broner the one who insisted on testing for the last fight but it started way too late? Why did pacs ko power suddenly reappear when he fought mathysse during a fight that had no testing, after not having a ko for 9 yrs?? Why did roach admit that he had no clue what ariza was giving pac when he was in his camp and that ariza refused to tell him?? You wait on a positive test if you want... But it's pretty clear what the deal is even if you're too much in denial to see it. You're like the guy who is so in love with a girl that he refuses to see that she's cheating on him even though all of his friends are warning him.

[The Big Dunn]

I'm questioning your assertions that you can't be sure that fighters are clean with no VADA or USADA testing.

We are accountable for our words and if we make statements we should be man enough to defend them.

As usual you fail that test just like your arguments.

It shows you are a hack and don't believe in your own words because you can't and won't defend them.

I posted you can’t be sure the fighters are clean without Vada or USADA testing for this fight. Since you can’t refute that, you are playing dumb and asking questions about boxers and fights other than this fight in a desperate attempt to deflect from that point. Only people supporting you are other cowardly ******ed
Manny diehards.

The topic of this thread in the upcoming manny/ Thurman fight. Not any other fight past or present.

I have defended the statement over and over. You have done nothing to refute it. I will gladly discuss this fight and the lack of Vada or USADA testing for this fight since it is the thread topic.

[D4thincarnation]

I posted you can’t be sure the fighters are clean without Vada or USADA testing for this fight. Since you can’t refute that, you are playing dumb and asking questions about boxers and fights other than this fight in a desperate attempt to deflect from that point. Only people supporting you are other cowardly ******ed
Manny diehards.

The topic of this thread in the upcoming manny/ Thurman fight. Not any other fight past or present.

I have defended the statement over and over. You have done nothing to refute it. I will gladly discuss this fight and the lack of Vada or USADA testing for this fight since it is the thread topic.

We know and therefore you also can't be sure Mayweather was not clean prior to Mosley.


Now that is out of the way.


Which testing organization has caught more boxing cheats in the last 9 years, USADA? or VADA?