Comments Thread For: Joshua: Ortiz Turning Down Fight Goes Against What I Stand For

[Redgloveman]

$50M 50/50 split is a better deal than $40M per fight ($120M)

You’re incorrectly including the Breazeale fight in that calculation which throws your numbers off. It’s actually $50m per fight with AJ guaranteed EVEN IF Wilder were to get knocked out in the first 10 seconds of the fight. Plus with the additional sweetener that he gets $20m to fight a guy he’s going to be fighting anyway (on free to air tv)

The 50/50 you mention gives no guarantee as to the rematch split unless you want to build those terms in as well and make this hypothetical deal even more favourable.

Personally I’m not of the view that Wilder really deserves 50/50 in the first place given that he’s only ever been in one PPV event which didn’t sell particularly well.

Wilder turned down a guaranteed $120 million dollars. Let that sink in.

[The Big Dunn]

Tbf I didn't like the flat fee either but not interms of the amount but the fact it was a flat fee, at the same time I didn't see Wilder countering this with splits unless it was to demand 50-50 whilst being the most vocal about the other side being cowards etc. I got the impression that Hearn wasn't in a rush becuase AJ was the only path which obviously went to pot when Fury unexpectedly ruined Hearns plans. Hearn always said he was willing to negotiate though and Wilder never took him up on this so I'd argue it was an opening offer to an extent only offered with the intention to be bartered upwards. I get your point though.

Don't know about the launch thing, can you elaborate or got a link?

My frustration is the guys that kill wilder seem to never point out the fiasco in the beginning. I understand Haymon is blocking it now. That pisses all of us as fans off. Hearn initially lying about fighting wilder next in no way justifies Haymon not allowing Wilder to fight on DAZN.

Hearn is both promoter and DAZN partner/investor. He is doing what is best for DAZN. I find it disingenuous for people to kill Haymon when he in turn does whats best for his business.

I am looking for a link.

[Jax teller]

My frustration is the guys that kill wilder seem to never point out the fiasco in the beginning. I understand Haymon is blocking it now. That pisses all of us as fans off. Hearn initially lying about fighting wilder next in no way justifies Haymon not allowing Wilder to fight on DAZN.

Hearn is both promoter and DAZN partner/investor. He is doing what is best for DAZN. I find it disingenuous for people to kill Haymon when he in turn does whats best for his business.

I am looking for a link.

Wilder chatted the most about legacy and not being about money and how the other side milk the public then since the Fury fight ignored AJ and has done a complete U-turn saying he's waiting.

I think since Fury returned to top flight Hearn has been serious about making the Wilder fight. The thing that is going to get DAZN the most subscribers is Wilder AJ, so if you believe he's acting in DAZNs interest it's probably a good assumption he's gonna be serious about that fight. If you look at how many offers Finkel has made in comparison that's probably another indicator of who's the most serious plus the fact that Hearn stepped back to let Finkel talk directly with DAZN.

[R_Walken]

Ortiz team probably should have took the offer

But Hearn should have probably coughed up some more ducketts as well because Ruiz as a sub sucks balls

Because AJ / Ortiz is 20x the fight that AJ / Ruiz is. Ortiz was the only opponent that would create buzz and saved that event instead AJs making his US debut in a fight
Most probably couldn’t give 2 f.ucks about

[DougalDylan]

My frustration is the guys that kill wilder seem to never point out the fiasco in the beginning. I understand Haymon is blocking it now. That pisses all of us as fans off. Hearn initially lying about fighting wilder next in no way justifies Haymon not allowing Wilder to fight on DAZN.

Hearn is both promoter and DAZN partner/investor. He is doing what is best for DAZN. I find it disingenuous for people to kill Haymon when he in turn does whats best for his business.

I am looking for a link.

My frustration is you can't see everything Haymon and Wilder did was a iie ...

At 22 fights no Joshua / no AJ to blame he fought a guy who lost his last seven every time they picked a bad fight time and again. When he won the belt at 30 fights they publicly admitted they were ducking Klitschko, where was the Wilder vs Haye fight etc etc .. excuse after excuse for rubbish. When Joshua came along then everything was his fault. Why didn't Wilder fight Martin .. both Haymon easy fight to make.


Finkel then takes 97.5% of a fighters purse for a title fight and Wilder fans blame AJ for not trusting him without a contract for a Wilder fight.

[4truth]

Ortiz team probably should have took the offer

But Hearn should have probably coughed up some more ducketts as well because Ruiz as a sub sucks balls

Because AJ / Ortiz is 20x the fight that AJ / Ruiz is. Ortiz was the only opponent that would create buzz and saved that event instead AJs making his US debut in a fight
Most probably couldn’t give 2 f.ucks about

I wanted Ortiz to get the fight but you underestimate Ruiz (or overestimate Ortiz) badly here. In a Ruiz/Ortiz matchup, it's a competitive fight.

[daggum]

Ortiz team probably should have took the offer

But Hearn should have probably coughed up some more ducketts as well because Ruiz as a sub sucks balls

Because AJ / Ortiz is 20x the fight that AJ / Ruiz is. Ortiz was the only opponent that would create buzz and saved that event instead AJs making his US debut in a fight
Most probably couldn’t give 2 f.ucks about

casuals do not care about ortiz. its why he always fights on undercards. they want to see joshua and the opponent really doesnt matter unless its a fury/wilder type. anyone else and they are just tuning in to see joshua. he was offered 14 times more than he has ever made. he blew it

[daggum]

My frustration is you can't see everything Haymon and Wilder did was a iie ...

At 22 fights no Joshua / no AJ to blame he fought a guy who lost his last seven every time they picked a bad fight time and again. When he won the belt at 30 fights they publicly admitted they were ducking Klitschko, where was the Wilder vs Haye fight etc etc .. excuse after excuse for rubbish. When Joshua came along then everything was his fault. Why didn't Wilder fight Martin .. both Haymon easy fight to make.


Finkel then takes 97.5% of a fighters purse for a title fight and Wilder fans blame AJ for not trusting him without a contract for a Wilder fight.

martin should have "bet on himself" instead of taking the 6 million. he would be making 100 mill a fight right now just like wilder...

[john l]

My frustration is the guys that kill wilder seem to never point out the fiasco in the beginning. I understand Haymon is blocking it now. That pisses all of us as fans off. Hearn initially lying about fighting wilder next in no way justifies Haymon not allowing Wilder to fight on DAZN.

Hearn is both promoter and DAZN partner/investor. He is doing what is best for DAZN. I find it disingenuous for people to kill Haymon when he in turn does whats best for his business.

I am looking for a link.

Nice and fair post!Yea everyone forgets it was AJ/hearn who ducked this fight up until now, but now ALL are guilty.Fury im not even going to get into that because he said himself he don't want Wilder next or one after.

[john l]

My frustration is you can't see everything Haymon and Wilder did was a iie ...

At 22 fights no Joshua / no AJ to blame he fought a guy who lost his last seven every time they picked a bad fight time and again. When he won the belt at 30 fights they publicly admitted they were ducking Klitschko, where was the Wilder vs Haye fight etc etc .. excuse after excuse for rubbish. When Joshua came along then everything was his fault. Why didn't Wilder fight Martin .. both Haymon easy fight to make.


Finkel then takes 97.5% of a fighters purse for a title fight and Wilder fans blame AJ for not trusting him without a contract for a Wilder fight.

Wilder did not fight Martin because Hearn massively overpaid him, prob the worst heavy champ in history or at least on the list.They gave a guy who was not even rated by any REAL ratings 5 mil so AJ could get an easy title.Wilder already had a title and was not gonna pay him 3x as much as he was making to get title.