Why is Shelley Finkel obsessed with putting matchroom out of business?

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  • The Big Dunn
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    #11
    Originally posted by Motorcity Cobra
    That's also the reason Hearn hasn't signed AJ to DAZN. He knows he can make more money with PPV
    Huh? AJ is exclusive to DAZN. He can't fight anywhere but there. Since when was he not with DAZN??

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      #12
      Wouldn’t this have to do like 1.4/1.5m just reach the 100m mark and that’s before the networks take their cut.

      There is nothing except blind faith to back up the fight selling those numbers.

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        #13
        Originally posted by The Big Dunn
        Huh? AJ is exclusive to DAZN. He can't fight anywhere but there. Since when was he not with DAZN??
        It's been said on multiple occasions by AJ, Hearn and DAZN that Anthony Joshua isn't exclusive to DAZN. He has never been exclusive to DAZN. If another network is willing to outbid DAZN for an AJ fight, then they could get it.

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          #14
          Originally posted by The Big Dunn
          Question-assuming the same number of people purchase the fight whether it is on DAZN or PPV, which model would pay the boxers more money?
          I think it's safe to assume that selling anything for $20 = more buys than selling the same thing for $75, so that's a very loaded question. Especially considering the $20 buys could come from US, Germany, Italy, Austria, Spain, Brazil, Japan, Canada and Switzerland, while the $75 buys would be from the US only.

          Canada and Germany are both very lucrative markets for boxing. 10 million people watched AJ vs Wlad live in Germany.

          A better question would be .. would the fight be reasonably expected to sell enough $75 PPVs in the US to guarantee Wilder at least $40million, and AJ the $50million he said he would want to fight Wilder in the US.

          The answer to that question is clearly "no" or there would be a counter offer from Showtime on the table.

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            #15
            Originally posted by The Big Dunn
            Huh? AJ is exclusive to DAZN. He can't fight anywhere but there. Since when was he not with DAZN??
            As far as I understand it, Joshua is 100% aligned with Sky Sports in the UK.

            Matchroom and DAZN penned the deal last year and Joshua fights would be streamed on there but there is wriggle room for Joshua to have his fights on an alternative PPV platform in the US.

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              #16
              Originally posted by The Big Dunn
              Huh? AJ is exclusive to DAZN. He can't fight anywhere but there. Since when was he not with DAZN??
              Originally posted by lolasif
              It's been said on multiple occasions by AJ, Hearn and DAZN that Anthony Joshua isn't exclusive to DAZN. He has never been exclusive to DAZN. If another network is willing to outbid DAZN for an AJ fight, then they could get it.
              That's correct. AJ is contracted to Matchroom and Sky, but not to DAZN.

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                #17
                Originally posted by OnlytheTruth
                As far as I understand it, Joshua is 100% aligned with Sky Sports in the UK.

                Matchroom and DAZN penned the deal last year and Joshua fights would be streamed on there but there is wriggle room for Joshua to have his fights on an alternative PPV platform in the US.
                Hearn is on record saying that if Showtime offer AJ more money than DAZN to fight Wilder, then AJ will accept the offer.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by The Big Dunn
                  What makes you think he is obsessed with putting matchroom out of business?
                  He spoke about doing just that in an interview .. putting Matchroom USA out of business and "ending Eddie's empire" by having Wilder KO AJ.

                  Hearn put out a funny video challenge in reponse .. "Come on Shelly, do it! Accept the fight and end me! End my Empire!"

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by lolasif
                    It's been said on multiple occasions by AJ, Hearn and DAZN that Anthony Joshua isn't exclusive to DAZN. He has never been exclusive to DAZN. If another network is willing to outbid DAZN for an AJ fight, then they could get it.
                    Originally posted by OnlytheTruth
                    As far as I understand it, Joshua is 100% aligned with Sky Sports in the UK.

                    Matchroom and DAZN penned the deal last year and Joshua fights would be streamed on there but there is wriggle room for Joshua to have his fights on an alternative PPV platform in the US.
                    Originally posted by kafkod
                    That's correct. AJ is contracted to Matchroom and Sky, but not to DAZN.
                    Thanks fellas. I thought he was DAZN exclusive.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by kafkod
                      I think it's safe to assume that selling anything for $20 = more buys than selling the same thing for $75, so that's a very loaded question. Especially considering the $20 buys could come from US, Germany, Italy, Austria, Spain, Brazil, Japan, Canada and Switzerland, while the $75 buys would be from the US only.

                      Canada and Germany are both very lucrative markets for boxing. 10 million people watched AJ vs Wlad live in Germany.

                      A better question would be .. would the fight be reasonably expected to sell enough $75 PPVs in the US to guarantee Wilder at least $40million, and AJ the $50million he said he would want to fight Wilder in the US.

                      The answer to that question is clearly "no" or there would be a counter offer from Showtime on the table.
                      I was asking only about US sales.

                      No it isn't a loaded question. Regarding this fight I don't think a less expensive price will drive sales up. This is the biggest fight in the sport, sales aren't driven by price like say choosing to buy a Civic over a Mercedes. It's driven by interest-like a Super Bowl ticket or a ticket to a Broadway show.

                      I was assuming the fight would be in England, not in the US. If it's in the US I'm sure Vegas would pay a significant site fee.

                      I guess if the fight sells 2 million it would be enough to get AJ $37 mil and the rest he'd get from the overseas money.

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