Truth of Myth: 'Wilder is avoiding Joshua' ?

[STREET CLEANER]

Finkel and Wilder spent months calling AJ out in the media and plugging an agenda that he and Hearn were running scared of Deontay.

Wilder repeatedly called AJ a coward, said that all he wanted was a chance to unify the division asap, and that he didn't care about the money.

What happened to all that tough talk when he got the chance he'd been asking for?

He fought Fury. Look how quickly that fight got made with out all the fanfare. The worst thing that happened to that division was that it was a good fight, people want to see it again, it financially did well and now everybody is posturing with their individual promoters because of it.

Fury and Wilder's worth went up and now we are tanked with all this BS. I know they are prize fighters but I hate the promotional greed side of this sport.

[kafkod]

He fought Fury. Look how quickly that fight got made with out all the fanfare. The worst thing that happened to that division was that it was a good fight, people want to see it again, it financially did well and now everybody is posturing with their individual promoters because of it.

Fury and Wilder's worth went up and now we are tanked with all this BS. I know they are prize fighters but I hate the promotional greed side of this sport.

Fury vs Wilder got made easily because they both wanted it next.

Wilder pretended he wanted AJ next and tried to paint AJ as a coward for ducking him. He said he didn't care about the money and just wanted a chance to unify the division ... "one name, one face, one champion, blah blah"

Then when he was offered the fight he turned it down and said he was following a different path. That's all I'm saying.

[STREET CLEANER]

Fury vs Wilder got made easily because they both wanted it next.

Wilder pretended he wanted AJ next and tried to paint AJ as a coward for ducking him. He said he didn't care about the money and just wanted a chance to unify the division ... "one name, one face, one champion, blah blah"

Then when he was offered the fight he turned it down and said he was following a different path. That's all I'm saying.

I think if both guys win their next fight they will fight at the end of this year if both promotional companies come into agreement. Too much money to leave it on the table. Somebody gets unexpectedly KOed and the value of the fight will go down.

[Real King Kong]

He doesn't have the leverage to dictate.

But, when has the biggest fight in world boxing been on the platform that will generate much less?

A-sides have the leverage to get the higher percentage, but for a fight of this magnitude, the B-side has every right to want to make sure his percentage is worth as much as possible.

60/40 is fair for this fight if they maximize the revenue. 60/40 isn't fair if the A-side refuses to go on PPV where so much more money can be made.

times are changing...they are trying to prop up a new platform that hopes to put an end to ppv, why would they want to fight on ppv? at the end of the day, wilder made his choice not to fight there...it was a very good offer, arguably as much or more than he'll earn if the fight was anywhere else, and he turned it down. it's fine...but we just won't be seeing the fight anytime soon as a result.

[kafkod]

I think if both guys win their next fight they will fight at the end of this year if both promotional companies come into agreement. Too much money to leave it on the table. Somebody gets unexpectedly KOed and the value of the fight will go down.

I hope so, but Wilder has said he won't fight AJ this year, not even for a 50/50 split in the US, and Finkel says it won't happen till 2020, at the earliest.

[N/A]

times are changing...they are trying to prop up a new platform that hopes to put an end to ppv, why would they want to fight on ppv?

So we're in agreement there. What will put the most money in Joshua & Wilder's pockets is counter productive to Hearn's larger agenda.

That is why Hearn is blocking the fight. He doesn't have a fiduciary duty to Joshua. He's a promoter. He's legally entitled to be out for himself.

Hearn's #1 priority is convincing John Skipper to pick up the final six years of their deal. He absolutely positively will not allow Joshua to fight Wilder on PPV, no matter how much Showtime offers.

[Real King Kong]

So we're in agreement there. What will put the most money in Joshua & Wilder's pockets is counter productive to Hearn's larger agenda.

That is why Hearn is blocking the fight. He doesn't have a fiduciary duty to Joshua. He's a promoter. He's legally entitled to be out for himself.

Hearn's #1 priority is convincing John Skipper to pick up the final six years of their deal. He absolutely positively will not allow Joshua to fight Wilder on PPV, no matter how much Showtime offers.

well how much do you think a ppv is going to generate? let's not exaggerate the projected ppv success of this fight to make it seem like a clear cut advantage over dazn in terms of what the fighters will make. to pay wilder and aj 40 & 60 million, they'd have to sell a lot of ppvs. it seems to me wilder's team have made a sudden sharp turn away from this fight...I don't see a lot of talk from them about us ppv and showtime...I see more talk about fighting in house opponents for the foreseeable future.

[N/A]

well how much do you think a ppv is going to generate?

Showtime believes it easily clears 1.5 million buys at $89.99 in HD. PBC has a 70% take from the PPV companies now, so that's $100 million from US PPV revenue alone.

Throw in UK PPV, live gate, foreign rights, sponsorships, delayed broadcast rights, etc and you're talking approximately $150 million in the pot for the fighters.

That's 75 million per fighter on a 50/50 split. For one fight. Joshua has more belts and does deserve more money, so even if it's 85 million for Joshua and 65 million for Wilder, you start to quickly see why DAZN offering 40 million isn't as enticing.

[STREET CLEANER]

I hope so, but Wilder has said he won't fight AJ this year, not even for a 50/50 split in the US, and Finkel says it won't happen till 2020, at the earliest.

I hope that is them trying to milk the situation even more. The more you say no the more they pay you. I simply don't see what bigger money options they are out there unless Showtime is going to overpay Wilder which would be a big mistake. He has all that power but he doesn't have the skills or the age for longevity.

[Ray*]

I hope so, but Wilder has said he won't fight AJ this year, not even for a 50/50 split in the US, and Finkel says it won't happen till 2020, at the earliest.

I find it funny that people are still getting their hopes up, Team Wilder clearly started that they have three fights next as priority. Ortiz rematch, Kownacki and Fury rematch (No sure in which other).

Team Joshua have been vocal that they want it next, if the real fans want to see that undisputed fight then they would get on both teams back to sit down after their next fights and work out a deal.

Pretending that Team Wilder is playing games and there is too much money for them not to want it is very naive. Team Wilder history has shown that they don’t want the fight.

They complain about the 15m dollars contract about no date or venue, they didn’t want that fight, why? Because they signed Fury fight right away without a date or venue. Until fans stand up against Team Wilder then they would always find their way out of the undisputed fight.