Truth of Myth: 'Wilder is avoiding Joshua' ?

[STREET CLEANER]

Yes, let's about forget that because Hearn and AJ gave up trying to get Wilder to come to the UK months ago and are now "begging" to fight him in the US.

Wilder is still ducking and the latest from him is that he won't fight AJ this year, not even in the US for a 50/50 split.

Did they offer a 50/50 split?

[Zelda]

Here's my take on things

Back in 2018, team Wilder was more enthusiastic about the fight because Wilder's profile was lower than. They wanted to pursue this fight because it was their ONLY payday. However, they wanted a 50-50 split or at least a handsome fix rate. Team AJ was flying high and thought only they have the money. Why should they rush things? and why should they agree to 50-50, or a US fight? plus the main issue became the rematch clause in which Eddie was still asking for a lion's share even if AJ loses.

Come 2019 and team Wilder is better off as compared to what they were back in late 2017 to early 2018 after the Ortiz and Fury fights. Team Wilder is now more bold because while AJ fight remains the most lucrative but it is not their only option. They reckon Wilders future fights will make significantly more money than his past fights and he also has some great names to fight. Also, in 2018 while they were negotiating, Eddie moved on and announced the Povetkin fight. After that, team Wilder starting planning on a course of their own for a longer term.

Today, team Wilder seems to be more set. As per Eddie and other sources, Wilders next few potential opponents are: Breazeale, Kownacki, Ortiz, Fury 2, Fury 3, and Dillian Whyte. So, thats 4-6 fights against top-ranked opponents.

On the other hand, who are Joshua's next opponents? Andy Ruiz Jr, Pulev, Usyk, ???. Thus, it appears Joshua has a very good past line-up will now find it more difficult to have further good names to fight in the near future. And with his 4 belts, he will have little choice and have to give them purse split (usually 30% or above) that he ain't ready to give to even known names like Ortiz currently.

For this reason, Joshua is more keen on the fight now rather than later while Wilder wants to make money from his line-up before fighting Joshua. Hence, the decision is more business + politics + ego (combined) rather any one of them actually avoiding the other. Team Wilder simply things they can cash before making this fight (of course that is ******** he remains champ but you gotta take risks and most champs have a re-match clause anyway in case of a surprise upset).

[kafkod]

Did they offer a 50/50 split?

How can they offer anything to a guy who flat out refuses to communicate with them and has said that he will not be a part of any deal involving them, whatever the money or split?

[STREET CLEANER]

Here's my take on things

Back in 2018, team Wilder was more enthusiastic about the fight because Wilder's profile was lower than. They wanted to pursue this fight because it was their ONLY payday. However, they wanted a 50-50 split or at least a handsome fix rate. Team AJ was flying high and thought only they have the money. Why should they rush things? and why should they agree to 50-50, or a US fight? plus the main issue became the rematch clause in which Eddie was still asking for a lion's share even if AJ loses.

Come 2019 and team Wilder is better off as compared to what they were back in late 2017 to early 2018 after the Ortiz and Fury fights. Team Wilder is now more bold because while AJ fight remains the most lucrative but it is not their only option. They reckon Wilders future fights will make significantly more money than his past fights and he also has some great names to fight. Also, in 2018 while they were negotiating, Eddie moved on and announced the Povetkin fight. After that, team Wilder starting planning on a course of their own for a longer term.

Today, team Wilder seems to be more set. As per Eddie and other sources, Wilders next few potential opponents are: Breazeale, Kownacki, Ortiz, Fury 2, Fury 3, and Dillian Whyte. So, thats 4-6 fights against top-ranked opponents.

On the other hand, who are Joshua's next opponents? Andy Ruiz Jr, Pulev, Usyk, ???. Thus, it appears Joshua has a very good past line-up will now find it more difficult to have further good names to fight in the near future. And with his 4 belts, he will have little choice and have to give them purse split (usually 30% or above) that he ain't ready to give to even known names like Ortiz currently.

For this reason, Joshua is more keen on the fight now rather than later while Wilder wants to make money from his line-up before fighting Joshua. Hence, the decision is more business + politics + ego (combined) rather any one of them actually avoiding the other. Team Wilder simply things they can cash before making this fight (of course that is ******** he remains champ but you gotta take risks and most champs have a re-match clause anyway in case of a surprise upset).

Common sense is not allowed in NSB

[STREET CLEANER]

How can they offer anything to a guy who flat out refuses to communicate with them and has said that he will not be a part of any deal involving them, whatever the money or split?

Read the post above the post I am responding to.

[Real King Kong]

I don't like to use the term "duck" for anything other than an ordered fight. If there's a purse bid, you can't blame promotional or network politics. Sell the fight to the highest bidder and let the chips fall as they may.

However, in the instance of Joshua, he did demand 50 million, they did give him his 50 million, and he changed his mind and refused to accept. Is that a duck? It's hard to not consider that a duck. It seems Joshua actually really wanted to accept, but Hearn was against it. Considering Joshua can't legally accept the fight unless Hearn is on board, I'd hate to criticize the fighter. Not fair to call the fighter a duck if his promoter refuses to allow the fight.

The bottom line is this, Hearn has to do whatever makes DAZN happy. That's why this fight hasn't happened yet.

Another reason it hasn’t happened is cuz, for the moment at least, it doesn’t appear wilder wants it. Turning down the dazn offer is one thing, but saying he isn’t interested in doing the fight...even for 50/50? I mean, it’s not like he has bigger fish to fry. Aj has the rest of the belts...what happened to all the once champ, one face talk?

[QueensburyRules]

- -Deyonce been fighting short notice TBAs his whole career, the TUE 50-0 career model.

[N/A]

Another reason it hasn’t happened is cuz, for the moment at least, it doesn’t appear wilder wants it. Turning down the dazn offer is one thing, but saying he isn’t interested in doing the fight...even for 50/50? I mean, it’s not like he has bigger fish to fry. Aj has the rest of the belts...what happened to all the once champ, one face talk?

A lot of promoters keep focus on other fights and tell their fighters to do the same, because they're desperate for headlines.

Haymon has a different approach with the media and tells his fighters to keep the focus on the fights most likely to happen.

Wilder knows the fight won't happen this year. DAZN wouldn't be honest with him and he knows his team is hoping to make the fight without DAZN. If Wilder was with Arum, Arum would be telling Wilder to pretend like the fight might happen this year. A Haymon fighter will be told to shut down the conversation and move things in the direction of what might actually happen.

So it's not that Wilder wouldn't want to fight Joshua this year, it's that he knows it's not happening, so he takes a strong stance to keep the focus on what will happen. That doesn't mean it's Wilder's fault the fight isn't happening. His side isn't the side demanding that the fight be on the platform that will generate LESS REVENUE.

The biggest story in boxing right now should be, will DAZN opt in to the final six years of the Matchroom deal next year. The whole landscape changes if DAZN opts out. If Hearn can't deliver a big AJ fight, what is DAZN paying all this money for? Hearn doesn't have a single fighter Americans care about. DAZN doesn't need him anymore and Skipper will have to seriously consider opting out as soon as he can. He didn't make that deal. It predates him. He made the Golden boy deal. He doesn't need Matchroom anymore.

[that g]

I don't like to use the term "duck" for anything other than an ordered fight. If there's a purse bid, you can't blame promotional or network politics. Sell the fight to the highest bidder and let the chips fall as they may.

However, in the instance of Joshua, he did demand 50 million, they did give him his 50 million, and he changed his mind and refused to accept. Is that a duck? It's hard to not consider that a duck. It seems Joshua actually really wanted to accept, but Hearn was against it. Considering Joshua can't legally accept the fight unless Hearn is on board, I'd hate to criticize the fighter. Not fair to call the fighter a duck if his promoter refuses to allow the fight.

The bottom line is this, Hearn has to do whatever makes DAZN happy. That's why this fight hasn't happened yet.

this has been debunked time and time again, but lets play.
wilder was recently asked by bluebloods sports tv if he would fight AJ if he was given everything he asked for, including a stateside fight, showtime PPV, 50-50, and a two way rematch clause.
he said no.
is that a duck?
if not, what makes that different from this hypothetical 50mil offer?

[Real King Kong]

A lot of promoters keep focus on other fights and tell their fighters to do the same, because they're desperate for headlines.

Haymon has a different approach with the media and tells his fighters to keep the focus on the fights most likely to happen.

Wilder knows the fight won't happen this year. DAZN wouldn't be honest with him and he knows his team is hoping to make the fight without DAZN. If Wilder was with Arum, Arum would be telling Wilder to pretend like the fight might happen this year. A Haymon fighter will be told to shut down the conversation and move things in the direction of what might actually happen.

So it's not that Wilder wouldn't want to fight Joshua this year, it's that he knows it's not happening, so he takes a strong stance to keep the focus on what will happen. That doesn't mean it's Wilder's fault the fight isn't happening. His side isn't the side demanding that the fight be on the platform that will generate LESS REVENUE.

The biggest story in boxing right now should be, will DAZN opt in to the final six years of the Matchroom deal next year. The whole landscape changes if DAZN opts out. If Hearn can't deliver a big AJ fight, what is DAZN paying all this money for? Hearn doesn't have a single fighter Americans care about. DAZN doesn't need him anymore and Skipper will have to seriously consider opting out as soon as he can. He didn't make that deal. It predates him. He made the Golden boy deal. He doesn't need Matchroom anymore.

Whatever the case may be, when does the clear B side dictate what platform/network a fight will take place?