Comments Thread For: Lomachenko vs. Campbell Approved For Vacant WBC Title

[BoxingIsGreat]

Why are you upset about this?

If you like corruption, that's on you.

There's a line up for that corrupt belt. What has Lomachenko done to require others to get a belt and then he himself leapfrogs all the ranked contenders of another belt org to fight for it?

It's not like he's unifying with another champ, which usually allows the bypassing of contenders.

If I were those contenders, I'd tell the corrupt WBC to remove my name from their rankings pronto. And, screw that clause in their rules which allows them to do basically anything.

Top Rank bribery at its best, like Arum did in Lomachenko's 2nd pro fight. Another hopeless can for Lomachenko to crush. Disgraceful.

I'm done with boxing and its BS. Time for me to slowly transition out of it.

[Boxing Logic]

It cuts out the guy ranked #2 and forces him to fight 2 fights when he should be in the title fight now that the title has been vacated.

It also puts Campbell in with a guy he has no chance to beat rather than a an opponent that he has about a 55/45 chance to beat that would be a better fight for fans to watch than a blowout.

Just my opinion.

You admit you think none of these guys can beat the recognized lightweight champion, Loma, but somehow you think they're all entitled to being a champion anyway? Yeah it sucks for them but this is supposed to be a sport. To the winner go the spoils. Commey injured or fake injured his hand, which stalled a 31 year old Loma's career by 4 months and forced him to fight a mando no one wanted to see him fight. Now Commey-Teofimo is ordered, so Loma can't get Commey in September. If Campbell fought Haney, Loma would have no titlists to fight for a second fight in a row. He would go the entire year until December at the earliest without adding another title. Loma's goal has to become undisputed since he won his first title at 26 years old. 5 years later, he's still only ever had the chance to fight for two titles in a fight, never 3 or 4. 5 years in, he's still only halfway to his goal.

Remember prime GGG? Remember how everyone thought so much that it was written in stone that he would become undisputed at 160 that people were even bored by it? "It's a weak division, Saunders isn't ****, who cares about belts, he should just move up there's no one who can be competitive with him at 160." **** like that. And yet because of political bull****, he never got the chance to fight for undisputed, and he didn't get a shot at the lineal championship until he was 35 years old. Only once he was 35 years old did Saunders seem to want to fight him, but only at the same time that Canelo finally would fight him, so instead of getting to fight for the lineal AND undisputed titles in GGG's prime, as his status as the recognized middleweight champion for years should have earned him, he never got the chance to fight for EITHER in his prime, and he had to choose only one or the other at 35 years old, when he was already too past prime to capitalize on the opportunity.

This is the problem with fanbases who are constantly defending Haymon or the boxers in terms of, "they're just doing what's best for their career, it's OK." You guys leave out the fact that every time something like this does go the way of a Luke Campbell, or a Devin Haney, it is at the direct EXPENSE of another boxer, usually one who has earned the opportunity much more than they have.

It's just like how when Canelo-Cotto was happening, or Cotto and Canelo were fighting guys like Khan, fans would defend them. "Cotto is in his thirties. He's earned the right to do whatever he wants and just make his money," even though he was the same age as GGG, and had already made way more money than GGG meanwhile GGG had yet to make much money at all, and what Cotto was doing was directly preventing GGG from getting, and winning, his big star-making fight and making bank. To this day GGG has left tens of millions if not another 100 mil on the table because of what Canelo and Cotto did. But all the while, people defended them, "they're just getting their money. We should support boxers." Yeah, including GGG, and all these hand me downs, these favors, people defend to inferior boxers in a division, come at the direct expense of costing the actual champ of the division, like GGG was and Loma is now, BOTH money, and their legacy.

You have to look at the whole picture. Haney in particular has his entire career to make money and make a legacy, and because he's an American boxer, he will get every opportunity. In fact this is like the one time I can even remember where a foreign boxer got fair treatment at the expense of an American boxer. Seems like it always happens the other way around.

[7NN]

Campbell has no chance to beat Loma. The fight should be between Campbell and Abdullaev, #'s 1 and 2 for the title. If not that then a tourney with the top 4 contenders with the winner fighting Loma.

Relax, there will be a tourney and the winner will get s shot not only for the WBC belt but for two others!

[The Big Dunn]

I agree. Title shots should only go to fighters that have never lost. Preferrably those fighters shouldn't fight anyone worth a damn either before their title shot. As long as some corrupted sanctioning body ranking has them rated #2.


I'm surprised you're wasting energy on this argument. Clearly Lomachenko deserves a shot at any lightweight belt before Zaur Abdullaev because he's the best lightweight in the world and the best fighters in their respective weight classes should fight for the belts.

I didn't post or imply anything like that so I'm not sure what compelled you to post all that. If you want to question the rankings, That is a different discussion.

As for this discussion, I just think it's unfair that he not only got passed over but has to fight 2 eliminators for a shot that he should be getting now based on the rankings.

[deanrw]

If you like corruption, that's on you.

There's a line up for that corrupt belt. What has Lomachenko done to require others to get a belt and then he himself leapfrogs all the ranked contenders of another belt org to fight for it?

It's not like he's unifying with another champ, which usually allows the bypassing of contenders.

If I were those contenders, I'd tell the corrupt WBC to remove my name from their rankings pronto. And, screw that clause in their rules which allows them to do basically anything.

Another can for Lomachenko. Disgraceful.

I'm done with boxing and its BS. Time for me to slowly transition out of it.

Well he did beat Linares who held that WBC diamond belt. Linares was guaranteed a shot whenever he wanted one, but Loma beat him so maybe it passed on to him? I am not sure.

[The Big Dunn]

You admit you think none of these guys can beat the recognized lightweight champion, Loma, but somehow you think they're all entitled to being a champion anyway? Yeah it sucks for them but this is supposed to be a sport. To the winner go the spoils. Commey injured or fake injured his hand, which stalled a 31 year old Loma's career by 4 months and forced him to fight a mando no one wanted to see him fight. Now Commey-Teofimo is ordered, so Loma can't get Commey in September. If Campbell fought Haney, Loma would have no titlists to fight for a second fight in a row. He would go the entire year until December at the earliest without adding another title. Loma's goal has to become undisputed since he won his first title at 26 years old. 5 years later, he's still only ever had the chance to fight for two titles in a fight, never 3 or 4. 5 years in, he's still only halfway to his goal.

Remember prime GGG? Remember how everyone thought so much that it was written in stone that he would become undisputed at 160 that people were even bored by it? "It's a weak division, Saunders isn't ****, who cares about belts, he should just move up there's no one who can be competitive with him at 160." **** like that. And yet because of political bull****, he never got the chance to fight for undisputed, and he didn't get a shot at the lineal championship until he was 35 years old. Only once he was 35 years old did Saunders seem to want to fight him, but only at the same time that Canelo finally would fight him, so instead of getting to fight for the lineal AND undisputed titles in GGG's prime, as his status as the recognized middleweight champion for years should have earned him, he never got the chance to fight for EITHER in his prime, and he had to choose only one or the other at 35 years old, when he was already too past prime to capitalize on the opportunity.

This is the problem with fanbases who are constantly defending Haymon or the boxers in terms of, "they're just doing what's best for their career, it's OK." You guys leave out the fact that every time something like this does go the way of a Luke Campbell, or a Devin Haney, it is at the direct EXPENSE of another boxer, usually one who has earned the opportunity much more than they have.

It's just like how when Canelo-Cotto was happening, or Cotto and Canelo were fighting guys like Khan, fans would defend them. "Cotto is in his thirties. He's earned the right to do whatever he wants and just make his money," even though he was the same age as GGG, and had already made way more money than GGG meanwhile GGG had yet to make much money at all, and what Cotto was doing was directly preventing GGG from getting, and winning, his big star-making fight and making bank. To this day GGG has left tens of millions if not another 100 mil on the table because of what Canelo and Cotto did. But all the while, people defended them, "they're just getting their money. We should support boxers." Yeah, including GGG, and all these hand me downs, these favors, people defend to inferior boxers in a division, come at the direct expense of costing the actual champ of the division, like GGG was and Loma is now, BOTH money, and their legacy.

You have to look at the whole picture. Haney in particular has his entire career to make money and make a legacy, and because he's an American boxer, he will get every opportunity. In fact this is like the one time I can even remember where a foreign boxer got fair treatment at the expense of an American boxer. Seems like it always happens the other way around.

I didn't post anyone was entitled to anything. You went on some rant that didn't even address my point.

[Boxing Logic]

I didn't post anyone was entitled to anything. You went on some rant that didn't even address my point.

Yes I did. Dont get caught up on semantics. You think Haney/Campbell/etc should get the shot over Loma, or at least that it's unfair to them. I responded by saying it's far more unfair to Loma to NOT give Loma the shot.

[Boxing_1013]

WBC made Charlo mandatory at 160 yet most of the people hating on this move from the WBC loved that one/were silent on it. Interesting. And any fool could see Loma has earned sliding to the front of the line way more than Charlo.

[Boxing_1013]

If you like corruption, that's on you.

There's a line up for that corrupt belt. What has Lomachenko done to require others to get a belt and then he himself leapfrogs all the ranked contenders of another belt org to fight for it?

It's not like he's unifying with another champ, which usually allows the bypassing of contenders.

If I were those contenders, I'd tell the corrupt WBC to remove my name from their rankings pronto. And, screw that clause in their rules which allows them to do basically anything.

Top Rank bribery at its best, like Arum did in Lomachenko's 2nd pro fight. Another hopeless can for Lomachenko to crush. Disgraceful.

I'm done with boxing and its BS. Time for me to slowly transition out of it.

See ya!!!!!

[minemax]

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It's not like he's unifying with another champ, which usually allows the bypassing of contenders. ...

Read on the page 4 in this thread, E-Sharp did a very nice job explaining it: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...=814343&page=4

Or... Just say goodbye to boxing. Because now they force other guys to fight The Champion and tomorrow they will force The Fat Boy to fight Loma. How dare they!?!