Which other hw champion in history has unashamedly ducked as transparently as Wilder?

[The Big Dunn]

You keep saying that but what evidence do you have for it and how is it relevant to AJ/Wilder?

The problem you have is you are trying to separate Hearn the promoter from Hearn the DAZN investor. You can't.

He will make significantly more money from DAZN than he will promoting AJ and the other boxers.

If you think of him as DAZN investor 1st, promoter 2nd, its easy to see why he would block the fight from happening when he did by lying about wanting the fight next.

The flat fee offer cutting wilder out of millions was the block. I've explained that a number of times.

Flash forward to today-now he wants the fight badly and offered wilder the DAZN deal because he knows that would move a ton of subscriptions, which lines his pockets.

Come kafkod!

[Johnny Rubber]

LOL, it's a business!

Fighters are more informed, articulate and presentable now. Kellerman, promotions and multiple belts all cost money, so careers are not just decided in the ring.

It is a simple business model:

Have a long illustious career, with wealth and opportunities once you retire.

Or...

Have a short brutal career and die a forgotten fighter.

Either way, careers are controlled by the investors who support stables (PBC etc) and the sponsors on shorts. or ring aprons support the fighter/venue.

Before the poster boys club was originally announced, Haymon would have presented a (forecasted) business model to investors. These type of models traditionally have a 5-10 year lifecycle and include annual returns and stake holder opportunities as the business flourishes.

Now ask yourself a simple question;

Why would investors stake their futures on a product that could 1) lose, 2) die, or 3) retire due to injury?

Think about it.

[kafkod]

The problem you have is you are trying to separate Hearn the promoter from Hearn the DAZN investor. You can't.

He will make significantly more money from DAZN than he will promoting AJ and the other boxers.

If you think of him as DAZN investor 1st, promoter 2nd, its easy to see why he would block the fight from happening when he did by lying about wanting the fight next.

The flat fee offer cutting wilder out of millions was the block. I've explained that a number of times.

Flash forward to today-now he wants the fight badly and offered wilder the DAZN deal because he knows that would move a ton of subscriptions, which lines his pockets.

Come kafkod!

That wasn't a block! A block is when somebody is actively trying to make a fight and you are preventing it from happening by turning down good offers, refusing to negotiate, whatever. Hearn never did any of that with Wilder's team.

Hearn responded to Wilder's social media "offer" by saying, "We are very interested in your offer. Let's meet up to discuss it further."

Finkel's response to that, "Have AJ say he accepts the money first, otherwise a meeting might not be productive"

And that all took place on social media, because Finkel, as he said right there, was refusing to negotiate or even talk to Eddie in person about it.

It was an obvious PR stunt by Finkel, and Hearn countered it with a PR stunt of his own, which was a flat fee offer to Wilder to fight AJ before his mando with Povetkin, which Hearn was busy negotiating with Ryabinski when Wilder posted that offer to AJ.

AJ vs Povetkin was the non US PPV fight that Hearn had intened to be AJ's first on DAZN, but he would have had no choice but to scupper that plan if Wilder had meant what he said when he "accepted" the flat fee offer.

[JRB123]

Nothing can top Riddick Bowe ducking Lennox Lewis

Bowe didn’t duck Lewis. Just ask Rock Newman.

Wilder is ducking Joshua though. That 50m offer was a PR stunt and Hearn called Finkel’s bluff two days after that offer became public. No one has heard of any offer from Wilder’s side since then.

However, Hearn has made multiple offers that Wilder has turned down. He doesn’t want the fight.

[Curt Henning]

Bowe didn’t duck Lewis. Just ask Rock Newman.

Wilder is ducking Joshua though. That 50m offer was a PR stunt and Hearn called Finkel’s bluff two days after that offer became public. No one has heard of any offer from Wilder’s side since then.

However, Hearn has made multiple offers that Wilder has turned down. He doesn’t want the fight.

lol....hearn actually confirmed the 50 was real and that his concerns were satisfied...im not sure what planet you are on lol

then AJ said "i wont sell my soul for 50 million" and then urged the fans to go train to fight wilder if they think its so easy

[Sid-Knee]

Bowe and Tyson ducking Lewis and both dropping the WBC title. In fact, British fighters do seem to have problems with American Heavyweights when it comes to the WBC. Fury beat Wilder but got robbed. Wilder is running from AJ even though money beyond his bum life is on the line.

There is also Holyfield ducking Lewis for years too. When he eventually fought him, Lewis beat the brakes off him but was also robbed.

So Americans are either running for their lives from us, or ripping us off on the cards when they lose.

[Sid-Knee]

Newsflash! The fight will take place in 2020. Wilder even said it himself. He has a full plate this year with Breazeale, Ortiz and possibly even Kownacki.

He has a full plate of fights no one cares about and aren't even needed?

Haha, You and your ever growing mad excuses and contradictions.

Maybe you and Wilder can give each other support and seek the help you both clearly need. Padded cells are nice this time of year so i'm told. Haha.

[Sid-Knee]

Lennox Lewis going into retirement directly after having one of the greatest heavyweight fights with Vitali Klitschko, no rematch at all even though demand was high. That is probably the worst one for me, least we got to see it happen, but a rematch would have been great. Think Lewis came to terms with the fact he wouldn't be good enough to beat Vitali if the big man had a full training camp.

Lewis was shot that night but still won. Age finally caught up with him.

Vitali did have a full camp, so stop lying. He was supposed to be on the Lewis undercard fighting Boswell until Johnson pulled out against Lewis.

At least Lewis fought him like you said. But Vitali didn't fight Haye after putting up a roadblock by saying he had to beat Chisora first. When he did beat Chisora, Vitali ducked and fought a bum instead. Just like Haye said he would.

[Sid-Knee]

Another one sided thread that tells half the story and absolves AJ/Hearn from lying about wanting to fight Wilder when instead Hearn wanted a non US PPV level fight to launch DAZN.

Care to show me Hearn actually doing this? A Wilder fight would have been the perfect launch. But we all know Finkle was just delaying things and waiting on the WBA to call mandatory after Hearn had already got 2 extensions from them to make the Wilder fight.

Nice try though. But no cigar.

Can't wait to hear your pathetic excuse on Wilder refusing to fight until 2020 and refusing an offer of 50/50 even if he's offered it. Maybe you need a little time to come up with some more bullshlt and get it together in your head. I can't wait.

[Sid-Knee]

Listen, if you are going to make a statement like that, then at the very least you can be factual. There is nothing remotely available to prove that you are telling the truth.

For the past six months Wilder and Finkel have had their attention focused solely on a Tyson Fury rematch. The good news is that Team Wilder and DAZN are staying in constant talks about a potential Joshua vs Wilder fight.

The fight is inevitable. It's going to happen once Wilder feels he is ready.

Wilder knew Fury was at ESPN by this point. He also knew that Arum didn't want the fight until 2020. So stop talking garbage about Wilder and Finkle having other business on their plate when they clearly didn't.

Wilder has now come out and said he won't take a 50/50 offer even if it's on the table. The fight is too close for comfort for the coward so he's coming up with more and more roadblocks. His weirdo fans are coming up with more and more insane and pathetic excuses to try and justify it.

Accept it. Wilder is a scared little b1tch who never wanted the fight. He knows what happens. So save your f3cked up level of madness for some other clown from the US. Because Wilder ain't your guy. Put a fork in him. He's done.