Dazn and espn are absolutely right

[bigjavi973]

The problem with Disney branding is its historical ethics. It's known as a Children's company first. They have a limit on what to push. There's no way around it. That's the reason why they have ESPN+ as their sports revenue portal. How much will Disney back ESPN+ Boxing is yet to be seen. That's all relative to which new prospects we know can make noise.

People forget that it's not just about 1 subscription purchase. Data and analytics shows who is watching when. If a particular fight or sports category isn't projecting the numbers they really want, then bigger budges aren't allocated and therefore it's just flat.

For instance. If Canelo Jacobs is a FOTY type of fight. Where even in sports news its like ''best fight in a long time.'' That alone attracts boxing enthusiasts to get DAZN and watch it. That's how it all works.

and you can watch it and backtrack at any point in time..... even if its a live fight etc...

honestly what other boxing programs have that right now?

[The Big Dunn]

imo its because no one wants to pay anything per month etc and then have to pay a separate ppv for the better fights......

idk but I think they dropped the ball there having fights on espn+ and then you still gotta order ppv for the better fights (and the last ppv wasnt too good imo)

Could be. PPV in theory is purchasing on TV instead of a ticket. DAZN/ESPN+ are asking me to pay a monthly fee for fights that I wouldn't necessarily buy a ticket for. I expect to watch those without paying additional fees over my cable bill.

The PPV fights I decide if I would buy a ticket to that fight. If so, then I will purchase the PPV. If It's not, I don't.

I think ESPN will eventually do what SHO does and make it available on both.

[The Big Dunn]

Netflix 140 million subscriber.
ESPN+ has 2+ million subscribers.
Showtime and CBS All Access has 8 million subscribers.
Hulu 25 million subscribers.

At the end of the day, Boxing is still niche. It's about which boxers are where and which boxers will choose to go. That's how branding works. Doesn't matter if Disney+ can push ESPN+. It only matters when a fighter signs, its noise, and how they're marketed.

How are ESPN doing selling Loma and Crawford?

How well will Showtime/Fox push its PBC stars?

What significance will DAZN's brand make for boxing and MMA fans? Brands make a difference. Consumers and fans aren't going to debate subscription wars for getting ESPN+ vs DAZN. That's not how they think. I've said this many times. If consumers buy excess things, why I assume a boxing fan wouldn't pay for both ESPN+ and DAZN?

LEt's stop comparing movie catalogs and shows to sporting events. Doesn't matter if Hulu has 25 million subs, what fighter is on Hulu and does a fan of Canelo or AJ give a fook about Hulu on their monthly service if they're only interested in boxing?

Netflix's rise is based on GLOBAL subscriptions. DAZN's methodology is based on going GLOBAL. In 2018 they've made an accelerated push for MMA and Boxing. IT's a start and slowly growing.

When DAZN hits Mexico, cause I assure you Carlos Slim, the leader of Global Telecommunications, could quite possibly prioritize in helping DAZN land there considering he's a friend and fan of Canelo Alvarez. Which means DAZN will want to continue investing more in the Hispanic market and possibly big on Mexican boxing. How that might rival Boz Azteca might cause a war, but it is what it is.

WAR DAZN!

Correct me if I'm wrong but Canelo fights are shown on regular TV Azteca in Mexico?

[Thuglife Nelo]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Canelo fights are shown on regular TV Azteca in Mexico?

Well for starters, Box Azteca from my own PERSONAL taste, I'm not into all those nonsensical graphics on screen selling products. It's interesting I'll give them that and no other world market does such a thing, but DAZN is traditional and doesn't have any of that stuff.

Again, DAZN would ideally offer all of its content in Mexico. Like I said, it could cause a WAR with Box Azteca, but at the end of the day, DAZN is a more formal and better platform than Box Azteca. I wonder how Mexicans will react to its Hispanic MMA category too.

[Smash]

wtf hearn and dazn are the future now ^^ wowzers, timewarp

[The Big Dunn]

Well for starters, Box Azteca from my own PERSONAL taste, I'm not into all those nonsensical graphics on screen selling products. It's interesting I'll give them that and no other world market does such a thing, but DAZN is traditional and doesn't have any of that stuff.

Again, DAZN would ideally offer all of its content in Mexico. Like I said, it could cause a WAR with Box Azteca, but at the end of the day, DAZN is a more formal and better platform than Box Azteca. I wonder how Mexicans will react to its Hispanic MMA category too.

Is that a yes? If so, I can't see why a Canelo fan that gets TV Azteca would buy DAZN if they are already getting the Canelo fight without having to pay a subscription fee for DAZN.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Could be. PPV in theory is purchasing on TV instead of a ticket. DAZN/ESPN+ are asking me to pay a monthly fee for fights that I wouldn't necessarily buy a ticket for. I expect to watch those without paying additional fees over my cable bill.

The PPV fights I decide if I would buy a ticket to that fight. If so, then I will purchase the PPV. If It's not, I don't.

I think ESPN will eventually do what SHO does and make it available on both.

You seem to be confused here?

But I have real cryptic answer for everyone. It's without a doubt that ESPN + and Showtime COULD provide a cheaper PPV, but they just don't want to because they're greedy.

If all the DAZN haters are riding with Disney+ (ESPN+), well if they have all that money, why aren't they giving ALREADY paying fans a PPV fight at the level of DAZN? DAZN has a better roster than ESPN..

Again it's all greed.

The ONLY way ESPN and Showtime can compete with DAZN is to LOWER the PPV. In fact ESPN or Showtime or Fox can do as they wish, they aren't going to beat DAZN imo. DAZN has a uniqueness to it. Consumers like new things.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Is that a yes? If so, I can't see why a Canelo fan that gets TV Azteca would buy DAZN if they are already getting the Canelo fight without having to pay a subscription fee for DAZN.

Again you're confused. Box Azteca is miniscule to a Mexican having DAZN on their mobile device. Completely different structure, content, and platform. You also missed the part that DAZN doesn't have realtime commercials or tortilla flour bags covering the screen...

[The Big Dunn]

You seem to be confused here?

But I have real cryptic answer for everyone. It's without a doubt that ESPN + and Showtime COULD provide a cheaper PPV, but they just don't want to because they're greedy.

If all the DAZN haters are riding with Disney+ (ESPN+), well if they have all that money, why aren't they giving ALREADY paying fans a PPV fight at the level of DAZN? DAZN has a better roster than ESPN..

Again it's all greed.

The ONLY way ESPN and Showtime can compete with DAZN is to LOWER the PPV. In fact ESPN or Showtime or Fox can do as they wish, they aren't going to beat DAZN imo. DAZN has a uniqueness to it. Consumers like new things.

Look at how the major sports have evolved with streaming. you can get the entire NBA package (all the games) or you can purchase just the games of the teams you want to see. It's about choice and flexibility. The same could apply to boxing streaming srvices.

Yes, it's great to have the option to have all the DAZN fights, but if you only care to watch Canelo or AJ in "major" fights, which hasn't happened yet on DAZN, I can't see why you'd expect people to purchase it.

For example-if you are interested in Canelo/GGG 3 and nothing else, to get DAZN for a year that is $99.99. The same person can pay $25 to go watch in a movie or $99.99 for the PPV.

You are assuming everyone wants more. Have you considered maybe they don't?

[The Big Dunn]

Again you're confused. Box Azteca is miniscule to a Mexican having DAZN on their mobile device. Completely different structure, content, and platform. You also missed the part that DAZN doesn't have realtime commercials or tortilla flour bags covering the screen...

There is no need for anyone that can see Canelo fights already to purchase the DAZN app, unless they want to see other fighters. That is the only point I am making.

While you don't like certain aspects of their production, you surely don't speak for every fan viewing fights on Tv Azteca.