AJ/Wilder, AJ/Ortiz, Crawford/Spence, Loma/Garcia will not happen. Thanks, Al Haymon!

[lfc19titles]

Spot on

Great and truthful thread

[kafkod]

Ok. that stated it was Arum that initially blocked the fight and Jubei posted nothing about it.

My issue is he doesn't post anything when Hearn or Arum make a decision that screws fans out of a fight he wants.

Arum didn't block the fight though. Neither side wanted it to happen back then.

[The Big Dunn]

Arum didn't block the fight though. Neither side wanted it to happen back then.

Kafkod it can’t be both. When bob rants like he did sat night, it’s he wants the fight. When he says what he said before, it’s he fight wasn’t big enough.

Just seems like Bob and Hearn get a pass for doing what is best for their companies but Haymon is evil when he does same. How is that possible?

[The Big Dunn]

AJ and Hearn pretended no such thing.

They sent Wilder a contract for the fight! All he had to was sign it and AJ would have had to fight him before Povetkin.

Stop it. We know Hearn’s offer was a crap flat fee offer designed to be rejected because Hearn states he didn’t want to launch Dazn with AJ on a us ppv.

It’s also very hypocritical of you to fault wilder because you justified ggg turning down a flat fee offer because he’d be cutting himself out of money.

[kafkod]

Kafkod it can’t be both. When bob rants like he did sat night, it’s he wants the fight. When he says what he said before, it’s he fight wasn’t big enough.

Just seems like Bob and Hearn get a pass for doing what is best for their companies but Haymon is evil when he does same. How is that possible?

Of course 2 different stances on the same match up can both be right, if they are taken at different points in time.

Haymon is certainly doing what's best for himself and his company, but is he doing what's best for his fighters and for the sport?

That is the same conflict of interests situation that the Muhammad Ali act is supposed to prevent. There's a reason why Haymon insists on calling himself an advisor, rather than a promoter.

[kafkod]

Stop it. We know Hearn’s offer was a crap flat fee offer designed to be rejected because Hearn states he didn’t want to launch Dazn with AJ on a us ppv.

It’s also very hypocritical of you to fault wilder because you justified ggg turning down a flat fee offer because he’d be cutting himself out of money.

First: GGG was offered a flat fee for a fight a year down the line, not an immediate fight, which gave him no incentive at all to accept it. He wouldn't have fought Canelo one day earlier if he'd agreed to it.

Second: I never said that Wilder should have accepted the flat fee offer from Hearn. But the fact is that he did accept it, even though Hearn said he was willing to negotiate a percentage split alternative, and he was sent a contract.

The reason Hearn put AJ vs Povetkin on DAZN in the US, rather than PPV, was that Povetkin is not American, and Wilder is. If Wilder had signed the contract he asked for, AJ vs Wilder would have been on Showtime PPV in the States.

[15 Rounds again]

Oh no you have it all wrong. In each individual case it is not Al Haymon or the PBC to blame it is everybody else. I knew they would promise Ortiz a rematch with Wilder to stop him asking for the Joshua fight. But i bet he dont get it. But then that also means they have no intention of looking at Wilder v Joshua later in the year.

They just got their best fighters on lockdown where better fighters cant relieve them of their titles. The PBC are an embarrassment to the sport right now.

This is 100% correct.
Even.if Ortiz beats Wilder, we now know we wont get an undisputed fight because Ortiz is not allowed to fight AJ per Haymon conditions.

[Bob Haymon]

That is a very self serving interpretation. In no way does saying the fight will happen indicate they don't want the fight.

You posted Haymon blocked inter-promotional fights. I showed a number he didn't. Now you are suggesting these people made the fights in spite of Haymon trying to block them, which isn't believable. He also didn't blockLoma/Russell.

No he isn't. Where are your facts to show this?

Wilder recently turned down the DAZN offer, yes. Hearn blocked that fight 1st. You can't pretend that didn't happen. Ortiz, yeah I think he is being a bit greedy but a number of posters think he has the right to negotiate for as much as he can get.

Ducking Rigo? who?

True, Russell hasn't fought anyone of merit but that isn't proof that Haymon is preventing inter-promotional fights as you posted. Again, please support this with some factual evidence.

Wilder just fought Fury. How could he avoid him when Fury not fighting? That makes no sense. Arum blocked the wilder/fury rematch.

Haymon took Adonis to SHO. Blocked the kov fight 1st time. Then the 2nd time Kov and his team asked out of being the mando and r-signed with HBO, blocking the fight. There is no evidence Haymon prevented those fights. His marinating those fights isn't proof he blocked other fights.

All I am asking you to do is provide some proof to support your opinion.

There is no way to interpret "the fight is not ready" in any other way other than they are not interested in making the fight. Until they indicate otherwise it can only be assumed that they are the main reason. They are not even going as far as to say they will work on making the fight a reality sometime in the future. They're just shutting down any possibility of Crawford-Spence by making a deceptive statement about not being the right time to make the fight. Maybe they change their mind in a few years but until they're willing to negotiate the fight is effectively blocked.

Haymon can't block fights when he has minimal involvement in negotiating fights with other promoters as was the case with Chavez-Canelo. There are always exceptions to the rule. Almost all of Haymon's exceptions happen to be mandatories: Loma-Russell, GGG-Jacobs, Stevenson-Gvodzyk. Every promoter complies with mandatories for the most part, so Haymon isn't anything special. In fact what we often see is step aside fees for Stevenson opponents, Quillen vacating his belt when Roc Nation won a purse bid, and thanks to Haymon's cozy relationship with the sanctioning bodies, especially the WBC, Wilder has been given soft touch mandatories instead of fighting the higher ranked Whyte, and Floyd holding belts hostage.

No reasonable promoter would be paying 7 figure purses so an underachiever like Russell Jr. can fight once a year against cab drivers. This only incentivizes him to avoid meaningful opponents like Santa Cruz. Speaking of LSC, he's one of the Haymon fighters who blatantly ducked Rigo when Rigo was top 5 p4p. Rigo was the obvious B-side so it was on Leo's side to reach out and try to make a deal. But since Haymon hates Jay-Z, the fight never came close to being made.

None of this behavior is exclusive to Haymon but at the very least people should be able to acknowledge that he isn't above playing dirty and criticism of him isn't based on racial prejudice. It's based on the damage he's caused to the sport.

[15 Rounds again]

Kafkod it can’t be both. When bob rants like he did sat night, it’s he wants the fight. When he says what he said before, it’s he fight wasn’t big enough.

Just seems like Bob and Hearn get a pass for doing what is best for their companies but Haymon is evil when he does same. How is that possible?

The difference is that what Hearn wants for his company is ALSO WHAT FANS WANT TOO.
In Haymon's case, what he wants is no risk fights and his guy gets to fight either low risk or only Haymon controlled fighters.

Huge diff bro. Join the boxing fans who are not supporting promoters.
I wanna see fights, not pretend I am a fight fan and be happy when fights DON'T get made.
Sick of it. I'll start watch UFC or nothing

Sick of fans suppotting promoters and ****** bs excuses.

If a guy cant see that Hearn is trying to make fights, but the door is being shut in his face by a clique- then you're blind.
There's a fight going on here outside the ring, and naive fight fans are actually supporting it. It's like a minimum wage blue collar dude voting for Trump: They're voting for the very guy that is f*****g them.

[DumpkinsPlus5]

The Big Dunn is going to war in this thread LOLOLOLOLOL