AJ/Wilder, AJ/Ortiz, Crawford/Spence, Loma/Garcia will not happen. Thanks, Al Haymon!

[Jubei]

If anyone is to blame for Loma/Garcia not happening it's Garcia himself for moving up in weight. What does Haymon have to do with it?

Haymon initiated the Garcia Spence fight, he paid Mikey a huge amount of money to move up in weight and help to turn his top fighter into a PPV star.

[Jubei]

Jubei you don't care one bit about the health of the sport. You take issue with Haymon solely because he is black. You never get outraged when another promotional entity makes a move that hurts the sport or cheats fans out of fights.

Oh, racebaiting again? How creative. Seems like you cant deal with the truth. We are talking about the here and now, the facts, not about your interpretations about the past. We boxing fans care about what happens next and in the near future.

When you are actually happy with the current situation and how PBC/Haymon is ruining the sport and all your arguments are other individual missteps in the past, then I cant help you. It does not help the cause.

If you were a real boxing fan with some decency you wouldnt make excuses for all the PBCs missteps and mishandlings recently, and specially not for their de****able plans to prevent all the big fights, that us boxing fans ask for, from happening.

[REDEEMER]

Ortiz just blatantly ducked the AJ fight, people are not really sure why. Shockingly he wasnt allowed to take the fight and also got promised a Wilder rematch later this year, as PBCs own Coppinger confirmed recently.

No surprise. Luis Ortiz is with PBC and per sources, has already been promised Deontay Wilder rematch in 2019 https://t.co/IYdVctktBb

— Mike Coppinger (@MikeCoppinger) April 23, 2019

Same with Adam Kownacki who declined the AJ offer and said there are other plans for him later this year, apparently he was also offered to fight Wilder down the road, after the Wilder Ortiz rematch.

one thing we learned from this whole Miller incident is that PBC is planning on Wilder fighting twice more this year in high profile fights where Kownacki and Ortiz will get paid very, very well as opponents. Or at least that's what Kownacki and Ortiz have been told.

— Fistianados Podcast (@Fistianadospod) April 23, 2019

My next fight wouldn’t be against Anthony Joshua June 1. Ill be back in the ring mid-summer. More news coming in up coming weeks.

— Adam Kownacki (@AKbabyface) April 17, 2019

Badlefthook also posted an article about it with more details

https://www.badlefthook.com/2019/4/19/18508181/is-adam-kownacki-on-the-radar-for-deontay-wilder?

So whats really going on here? Wilder will be facing Breazeale in May, then the Ortiz rematch later this year and Kownacki in early 2020? That means Haymon has planned Wilders next 3 fights already, so there is no chance that fans will see Wilder vs AJ anytime soon.

Same problem with Spence vs Crawford. Spence's plan is to face all the PBC fighters in the next 1-2 years. Porter, Thurman/Pacquiao and Danny Garcia.

Here is the latest interview from Ellerbe, claiming boxing fans dont want to see Spence vs Crawford and that fight will not happen anytime soon.

Leonard Ellerbe shuts down any Terence Crawford vs Errol Spence Jr talk. He says "that fight's not happening. What fans want to see Crawford vs Spence?" Stay tuned for interview. @lellerbe @terencecrawford @errolspencejr pic.twitter.com/3pT6mOQvjE

— Helen Yee (@HelenYeeSports) April 24, 2019

They probably have similar plans with Tank Davis and Mikey Garcia. Garcia just vacated his WBC belt so we wont be seeing Lomachenko vs Mikey Garcia. Tank Davis is being guided carefully away from Lomachenko and even other champions at 130 like Tevin Farmer, Ito or Berchelt. He is supposedly in talks with ancient Yuriorkis Gamboa who is close to 40 and totally shot.

We will not be seeing Anthony Joshua vs Deontay Wilder

We will not be seeing Anthony Joshua vs Luis Ortiz or Adam Kownacki

We will not be seeing Terence Crawford vs Errol Spence

We will not be seeing Vasily Lomachenko vs Mikey Garcia or Tank Davis

As an actual boxing fans how can you defend this?

Real boxing fans need to wake up and realize that PBC and Haymon are ruining our sport. They turn fighters into spineless puppets and try to brainwash simpleminded boxing fans. Sadly they have a big influence with certain media who just parrot whatever PBC/Haymon injects them to say.

Breazeale should he be in shape will defeat Wilder so all those matches wont happen anyway and guys who duck fights like Wilder and Ortiz will be a laughing stock after May 18th. The major fights will happen if fighters actually want a title when =Joshua collects them all after Wilder gets his title taking away .

[REDEEMER]

Stop it. We know Hearn’s offer was a crap flat fee offer designed to be rejected because Hearn states he didn’t want to launch Dazn with AJ on a us ppv.

It’s also very hypocritical of you to fault wilder because you justified ggg turning down a flat fee offer because he’d be cutting himself out of money.

12,5 million was meant to be negotiated ,it was met by cancelled meetings ,something team wilder refused to do. you really don't want the fight because weve been through this before. Read above anyway.

[TheCell8]

Well Bob's not making things easier.

Bob isn't willing to make concessions. He wants Haymon's guys to fight his guys on ESPN only. The reason is because he's probably under a lot of pressure from ESPN to make meaningful fights. His two best fighters Loma and Crawford, are running out of opponents.

Is Arum willing to let those guys fight on Showtime or Fox if it means making the best fights? Of course not.

That's why he's desperately offering Danny Garcia and Shawn Porter millions to come over to ESPN to face Crawford.

[Derranged]

Haymon initiated the Garcia Spence fight, he paid Mikey a huge amount of money to move up in weight and help to turn his top fighter into a PPV star.

Interesting way to look at it.

[Jubei]

Breazeale should he be in shape will defeat Wilder so all those matches wont happen anyway and guys who duck fights like Wilder and Ortiz will be a laughing stock after May 18th. The major fights will happen if fighters actually want a title when =Joshua collects them all after Wilder gets his title taking away .

Breazeale doesnt have the capabilities, he looked pretty much terrible in his last couple fights, he also didnt win half a round vs AJ and got totally destroyed. Also Breazeale is promoted/managed by Haymon, he might tell him what to do and what not in the fight, get some good money under the table, same as Malik Scott took that dive vs Wilder.

[The Big Dunn]

Oh, racebaiting again? How creative. Seems like you cant deal with the truth. We are talking about the here and now, the facts, not about your interpretations about the past. We boxing fans care about what happens next and in the near future.

When you are actually happy with the current situation and how PBC/Haymon is ruining the sport and all your arguments are other individual missteps in the past, then I cant help you. It does not help the cause.

If you were a real boxing fan with some decency you wouldnt make excuses for all the PBCs missteps and mishandlings recently, and specially not for their de****able plans to prevent all the big fights, that us boxing fans ask for, from happening.

You're not a boxing fan in any way, shape or form. You're a complete phony. well over 95% of your threads are either GGG slurp threads, threads attacking fighters like Ward or Canelo , or something negative about Haymon or a Haymon affiliated fighter.

If you make threads about the the other promotional operations, managers or networks actions that hurt the sport I'd have nothing to post in response.

If blocking fights makes you mad as a fan, ok let me see some threads from you criticizing any of the other companies when they do it. Let me see you criticize networks for making promoter exclusive deals. Let me see you get upset when a non Haymon fight, for example AJ/Fury, doesn't get made. I don't see you making any threads about "marinated" fight that don't happen.

I look forward to you holding all the groups accountable in the future since you're such a real fan. Of course we both know you will not do anything like that.

[Jubei]

You're not a boxing fan in any way, shape or form. You're a complete phony. well over 95% of your threads are either GGG slurp threads, threads attacking fighters like Ward or Canelo , or something negative about Haymon or a Haymon affiliated fighter.

If you make threads about the the other promotional operations, managers or networks actions that hurt the sport I'd have nothing to post in response.

If blocking fights makes you mad as a fan, ok let me see some threads from you criticizing any of the other companies when they do it. Let me see you criticize networks for making promoter exclusive deals. Let me see you get upset when a non Haymon fight, for example AJ/Fury, doesn't get made. I don't see you making any threads about "marinated" fight that don't happen.

I look forward to you holding all the groups accountable in the future since you're such a real fan. Of course we both know you will not do anything like that.

So thats all you have to say in your defense to the matter at hand?

Basically nothing but bringing up other topics?

Bob Arum is trying to make Spence vs Crawford.

Eddie Hearn is trying to make AJ vs Wilder and AJ vs Ortiz.

Haymon is preventing these and many other great fights from happening. Thats a FACT.

You are deflecting and bring up random other topics that have nothing to do with the current situation. You basically surrendered.

[The Big Dunn]

The difference is that what Hearn wants for his company is ALSO WHAT FANS WANT TOO.
In Haymon's case, what he wants is no risk fights and his guy gets to fight either low risk or only Haymon controlled fighters.

Huge diff bro. Join the boxing fans who are not supporting promoters.
I wanna see fights, not pretend I am a fight fan and be happy when fights DON'T get made.
Sick of it. I'll start watch UFC or nothing

Sick of fans suppotting promoters and ****** bs excuses.

If a guy cant see that Hearn is trying to make fights, but the door is being shut in his face by a clique- then you're blind.
There's a fight going on here outside the ring, and naive fight fans are actually supporting it. It's like a minimum wage blue collar dude voting for Trump: They're voting for the very guy that is f*****g them.

Fans don't want AJ/WHyte 2. Fans don't want GGG/Rolls. Fans don't want AJ/Miller. Fans didn't want Canelo/Fielding. Fans didn't want Crawford/kahn or Loma/Crolla. Same as fans don't want Spence/Mikey or Wilder/S.ilzka 2. It's everyone dude.

I've been a boxing fan for well over 30 years and watch fights regardless of who promotes it. Suggesting I am a "promoter fan" is some dumb NSB sh-t. The facts show Haymon is no different than Arum in wanting low risk fights or only Arum controlled fighters. so why do posters only get mad when Haymon does it?

If you want to talk about what is killing the sport, I'm 100% with you. That isn't what happens. When Haymon does it, he's a "cancer to the sport". when the other guys do it it's not judged the same way. That is completely unfair and has a nasty undertone to it.

Holla at me if you are really interested in discussing how everyone contributes to the sport's problems.