Arum is panicking because Crawford/Khan PPV flopped

[Mister Wolf]

exactly. It came down to Spence had a popular Mexican opponent.

He couldn’t crack 800k views on showtime

They will stop all the bull****ting once the Spence/Porter PPV numbers come in. You would think Spence coming out dressed like a Mexican flag would have been enough. We will see how many of those Mexican fans buy his Porter fight.

[killakali]

Here is the schedule on my cable lineup for next month:

May 4 - ESPN Beterbiev
May 10 - Showtime Ruben Villa
May 11 - ESPN Miguel Berchelt
May 11 - Fox Jarrett Hurd
May 18 - Showtime Deontay Wilder
May 25 - ESPN Masayuki Ito
May 25 - FS1 Austin Trout


I care about the Wilder, Hurt and Trout fights a lot. I don't care about the other fights at all. The ESPN shows are foreign fighters I couldn't care less about. The PBC shows are domestic fighters I care a lot about.

I'm not telling anybody what they should or shouldn't enjoy. I'm telling you what I enjoy. Not sure why that's a problem for you. ESPN almost never has a fight that interests me. PBC routinely has fights that interest me. If the opposite applies to you, that's cool.

i didn’t realize U were racist. U cared about beterviev before he fired Al Haymon and his fight vs Hot Rod is better than anything on the showtime mismatch side. Wilder is a 10-1 favorite over a b level fighter. Jared Hurd is fighting Jermall’s leftovers and proved he didn’t have a chin. Then regressed vs an ancient Ishe Smith. That’s hardly a fight to get excited about. If Hurd was unifying I would agree with you.

U conveniently left out Ito is fighting an American former marine who also fired Al Haymon as u only mention the Japanese fighter. U also didn’t mention the co feature fights.

Ruben Villa in a showcase does nothing for me sorry.

Trout is over the hill and gausha is a b level opponent. It’s an okay fight.

But I guess most people agree worth me being that fs1 is in anoutnthe same amount of households as espn yet the cards routinely get 2-3x more viewers than fs1. I guess Americans don’t care about fighters like Caleb truax Lamont Peterson and Austin trout when a random Bulgarian like Pulev gets as many views.

And the biggest lol moment is Miguel Berchelt-Vargas 2 and Dogboe Navarrete 2. That’s clearly the best card on the whole May schedule. Both fights should be good and Berchelt is on his way to a Loma fight.

Wilder has the most star power in May but he’s in a non competitive mismatch while Berchelt is in the best card of
The month on your list. (Canelo-Jacobs on DAZN is obviously the best card of may).

Can you explain why Plant vs Uzcategui nobody watches fs1 fights and espn fights dominate them even though you boycott foreign fighters (except Lipinets and Redkach of course)

[killakali]

They will stop all the bull****ting once the Spence/Porter PPV numbers come in. You would think Spence coming out dressed like a Mexican flag would have been enough. We will see how many of those Mexican fans buy his Porter fight.

Haymon isn’t dumb tho. HE will slide abner mares or someone on that card. Just like they would slide Canelo, Leo Santa Cruz or Erik Morales on Floyd cards to try to boost sales.

[KTFOKING]

i never admitted it wasn’t big enough to be a point ppv lmao. I said it wasn’t big enough for both sides involved to do.

Espn had the fight everywhere. Had the press conference and weigh in line for all their fights. Had that logo everywhere. For fight week I said.

Spence has better options but those options are dwindling. Porters poor performance took a lot out of that fight. If u can get beat Ugas who lost to dulorme if the low blows weren’t point deductions how do u beat Spence? His performance ruined that fight as much as kavaliauskas pathetic showing vs Robinson even though i thought he won ruined his shot at Crawford for now at least.

No one is particularly interested in Spence ca porter to be honest. I’d rather see him vs danny garcia now.

So u said beating garcia makes him a star in one sentence then admit his ppvs will go down vs Porter later lol.

So now he’s a bigger star but sells less ppvs lol okay sure.

Then u say his ppvs blow Crawford out of the water lmao. Dude neither guy sold 400k ppvs. Nobody blew nobody out lol. Spence had the better dance partner and did 100-150k more buys. That’s nothing to brag about. Crawford would have done about that number if he had fought garcia. You are acting like Spence did 800k buys and Crawford 200k lmaooo. Thst would be blowing it out of the water.

As for Crawford he’s got likely Kell Brook next. That’s a fight on even par as Spence vs porter. Brook is physically bigger than Crawford and already laid the blueprint on how to beat porter

Oh, so you're saying the PPV is big enough for joint PPV? Interesting, a guy that supposedly has done less than 300k combined buys in two PPVs vs a guy that did 360k buys is big enough for a joint PPV, got it.

ESPN had it everywhere? What exactly do you think FOX was doing? They aired the presser on Thursday, weigh in on Friday, heck I believe they even aired the UC press conference. They sent Lennox and Mancini on their debate shows and talked about the fight. And this isn't even including the four part series they had plus the preview and face off shows. Overall, it wasn't even close.

Those options by no means are dwindling. Porter, Thurman/Pac winner and Garcia are still out there for him. Any of the fights I mentioned best any fight available for Crawford. You think TR is putting Crawford on PPV against Brook or Mean Machine (LOL)? Collazo?

Um, his PPVs going down vs Porter doesn't mean he's not a star. You keep ignoring where I mention that fight will out do Crawford vs Khan. And eventually once he gets the winner of Thurman/Pacquiao, that PPV will do big numbers. If him and Crawford go PPV in their next two or three fights, it will be a blowout towards one side.

In what world does 360 PPV buys not blow out potentially a 150-200k buys PPV? We are talking damn near DOUBLE the buys. That absolutely blows out Crawford's PPV. And Spence in his headlining PPV debut out did most of the biggest stars of the last 20 years PPV debuts.

If Brook could actually make 147 comfortably then the fight could be on par with Porter, sure. I mean Brook was better than Porter at their best… only problem? Brook got his second orbital bone broken by Spence and hasn't fought at 147 since May of 2017. He has ZERO momentum at all and who knows if he will even be able to make weight anymore. And commercially? Even Arum isn't dumb to put that fight on PPV.

[pasawayako]

bob sitting there thinking bout picking up the phone to call manny and make him an offer to sign with TR again lol.

I think arum is more confident now that crawford can beat pac.

[N/A]

i didn’t realize I were racist. U cared about beterviev before he fired Al Haymon

Never cared about Beterbiev. There's nothing racist about rooting for the country you live in. Are all of the AJ fans racist because they live in England?

[killakali]

Never cared about Beterbiev. There's nothing racist about rooting for the country you live in. Are all of the AJ fans racist because they live in England?

Will u admit the wilder fight is a blow out and explain why fs1 is getting dominated ratings wise by espn even though they are in the same number of houses.

Using your logic I guess you are skipping Saturdays showtime card since the whole thing is made up of foreigners. Since u just said the efe ajagba, Rances Barthelemy viktor Postol And his French oponent aren't of interest to u.

What are your plans instead of watching that showtime card?

[N/A]

Will u admit the wilder fight is a blow out

Have no idea what to expect in that one, which is why I'm so interested in the fight. If you're convinced it's a blow out, you should bet your life savings and show us proof of your wager.

explain why fs1 is getting dominated ratings wise by espn even though they are in the same number of houses.

ESPN has dominated for decades and decades, long before FS1 existed. ESPN has the rights to the NFL, NBA, etc and FS1 doesn't. Pretty simple.

Using your logic I guess you are skipping Saturdays showtime card since the whole thing is made up of foreigners.

Pretty ****** comment. The A-side of the main event is American, which you somehow ignored. No, I'm not skipping Saturday's Showtime card. I like Easter a lot and always make sure to watch him. Even when he fought on Bounce, I got the old rabbit ears out of storage so I could see it.

What are your plans instead of watching that showtime card?

I'll be at Disney World all day with my girlfriend, but I'll make sure to be home in time for the main event so I can see the Easter fight.

[killakali]

Oh, so you're saying the PPV is big enough for joint PPV? Interesting, a guy that supposedly has done less than 300k combined buys in two PPVs vs a guy that did 360k buys is big enough for a joint PPV, got it.

ESPN had it everywhere? What exactly do you think FOX was doing? They aired the presser on Thursday, weigh in on Friday, heck I believe they even aired the UC press conference. They sent Lennox and Mancini on their debate shows and talked about the fight. And this isn't even including the four part series they had plus the preview and face off shows. Overall, it wasn't even close.

Those options by no means are dwindling. Porter, Thurman/Pac winner and Garcia are still out there for him. Any of the fights I mentioned best any fight available for Crawford. You think TR is putting Crawford on PPV against Brook or Mean Machine (LOL)? Collazo?

Um, his PPVs going down vs Porter doesn't mean he's not a star. You keep ignoring where I mention that fight will out do Crawford vs Khan. And eventually once he gets the winner of Thurman/Pacquiao, that PPV will do big numbers. If him and Crawford go PPV in their next two or three fights, it will be a blowout towards one side.

In what world does 360 PPV buys not blow out potentially a 150-200k buys PPV? We are talking damn near DOUBLE the buys. That absolutely blows out Crawford's PPV. And Spence in his headlining PPV debut out did most of the biggest stars of the last 20 years PPV debuts.

If Brook could actually make 147 comfortably then the fight could be on par with Porter, sure. I mean Brook was better than Porter at their best… only problem? Brook got his second orbital bone broken by Spence and hasn't fought at 147 since May of 2017. He has ZERO momentum at all and who knows if he will even be able to make weight anymore. And commercially? Even Arum isn't dumb to put that fight on PPV.

So if it sold 1000 ppvs and Crawford 500 that’s a blow out ? Lmao it’s double. Neither he big numbers and don’t be so quick to think it did that many more. Some are saying it’s equal to garcia vs Spence:

By G. Leon 24/04/2019
With Various Crawford-Khan PPV numbers swirling around, Arum says "don't believe everything you hear"
Insider circles are buzzing with varyying preliminary reports on the number of buys the Terence Crawford vs. Amir Khan PPV generated. Depending on who you're talking to the fight could have done a dismal 200,000 on the high-end, but actually closer to 150,000 all the way up to the respectable Spence-Garcia range of 320,000-360,000. We reached out to Bob Arum and he told **********, "When a number is released it'll come from ESPN." Regarding the dismal numbers floating around Arum said, "don't believe everything you hear." Speaking from experience as the advisor to Jean Pascal here's a quick rundown of how PPV works. 75-80% of what the actual number will be known today or tomorrow at the latest and this is just for residential buys. The revenue that the commercial buys (sports bars) generated is already known, but never released to the press. The prices these establishments pay varies depending on their capacity, usually at an average of $800-$1000 per location. Now back to the residential buys, it coulld take 60-70 days for the precise final number of residential buys to be known, maybe more in the case of Crawford-Khan, a fight that was PPV on two continents.

Porter isn’t a great option anymore. He just lost to Ugas. Do u understand that?

Also how many ppv buys in the uk did Crawford do? That’s more revenue too.

[-Kev-]

That fight was bound to flop.

Top 3 P4P fighter, top 3 welterweight, vs a guy nowhere near the top 10 P4P and not in the top 10 WW rankings either.

If you're not Floyd, Canelo, or Pacquiao, you can't get away with that.

If the fight sells 200k, to me, that's a lot.

Like wtf, 200,000 people shelling out $65 dollars for that? 200k is a lot of people, and if you think about it, a lot were probably group buys. So more than 200k people watched that sht fight lol.

I thought Khan would be competitive over 12 rounds, in a big struggle where he gets hurt many times. That's about as much credit as I gave him going into the fight, stylistically. Instead he quit. I did not buy it because I didn't think it was going to be 50-50, or even 60-40.