Arum is panicking because Crawford/Khan PPV flopped

[KTFOKING]

you are wrong on a lot here.

One, Spence didn’t do 360k buys. Mikey did most of that. Spence-porter has 250k ppv buys written all over it and that puts him in line with Crawford-Khan.

Two, I wouldn’t write espn off yet. It’s their first attempt and this wasn’t the biggest fight to promote on ppv.

You are right on that Spence isn’t a big draw yet either. Spence-Khan wouldn’t have done more than Crawford-Khan so take it in context. I could see Crawford-Garcia doing about what spende-Garcia did due tot he Mexican ppv purchases.

Either way neither of these guys is a ppv Star.

Mikey did 90% of the buys right? LMAO, those two were even stars going in, and obviously Spence emerged after the fight.

Wouldn't write ESPN off? Why? What are they going to do? If this PPV does less than 300k buys, then Arum needs to STUF about them being a megaphone. There is actually a chance that Crawford's BOTH PPVs would combine for less than 100-150k buys from Spence's fight with Garcia.

Crawford just isn't going to be a big commercial star. It's obvious by now. Good name who does good ratings, but he's a promoters nightmare trying to sell a PPV. Dude is allergic to the media like he's Westbrook and does nothing to sell the fight. Spence has kind of a dull personality himself, but he will at least get out and show his face in big events and has a better golden boy type of look.

Spence vs Porter will definitely do more buys than Crawford vs Khan if the initial rumors are accurate. I mean they could end up surprising, but we should know soon enough. And then it goes without saying the winner of Thurman/Pacquiao against Spence does big numbers.

Crawford is flat out the B-side here. That shouldn't be debatable. We also can stop with the joint PPV since you damn well know that's not going to happen from a fight that isn't even guaranteed to do big numbers. Spence vs Pacquiao does bigger numbers than Spence vs Crawford, agreed? If so, then Crawford wouldn't even be Spence's biggest PPV. Arum needs to just send Crawford over and make the best fight in boxing. If Crawford wins, then he would have three titles (After Porter unification) on ESPN. I mean it also takes any excuse away from the other side if Arum truly thinks Haymon doesn't want the fight.

Jacobs went over to HBO to fight GGG because he badly wanted the fight. Time for Crawford to follow suit and give boxing fans what they want.

[killakali]

Mikey did 90% of the buys right? LMAO, those two were even stars going in, and obviously Spence emerged after the fight.

Wouldn't write ESPN off? Why? What are they going to do? If this PPV does less than 300k buys, then Arum needs to STUF about them being a megaphone. There is actually a chance that Crawford's BOTH PPVs would combine for less than 100-150k buys from Spence's fight with Garcia.

Crawford just isn't going to be a big commercial star. It's obvious by now. Good name who does good ratings, but he's a promoters nightmare trying to sell a PPV. Dude is allergic to the media like he's Westbrook and does nothing to sell the fight. Spence has kind of a dull personality himself, but he will at least get out and show his face in big events and has a better golden boy type of look.

Spence vs Porter will definitely do more buys than Crawford vs Khan if the initial rumors are accurate. I mean they could end up surprising, but we should know soon enough. And then it goes without saying the winner of Thurman/Pacquiao against Spence does big numbers.

Crawford is flat out the B-side here. That shouldn't be debatable. We also can stop with the joint PPV since you damn well know that's not going to happen from a fight that isn't even guaranteed to do big numbers. Spence vs Pacquiao does bigger numbers than Spence vs Crawford, agreed? If so, then Crawford wouldn't even be Spence's biggest PPV. Arum needs to just send Crawford over and make the best fight in boxing. If Crawford wins, then he would have three titles (After Porter unification) on ESPN. I mean it also takes any excuse away from the other side if Arum truly thinks Haymon doesn't want the fight.

Jacobs went over to HBO to fight GGG because he badly wanted the fight. Time for Crawford to follow suit and give boxing fans what they want.

where to start lol.

Let me repeat. I said Spence Khan wouldn’t have done anymore than Crawford Khan. You changed the fights. I’m sure you would agree with this.

As for Mikey I never said he did 90% of the sales lol. I didn’t give a percent. I said he’s somebody more than Spence did and it’s true.

Spence is a bigger star after? For beating a lightweight that only 360k people saw ?sure I’d u want to believe that.

You mentioned Postol. That wasn’t a real ppv fight. Even arum wanted it on hbo. Spence Postol would have sold the same way. You need to compare opponents.

Spence Porter will do less than Spence Mikey. I would bet on that.

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I live in Canada, those fights are usually shown on tsn, which is part of a sports package with like 20 other channels.

well i can't speak for the canadian market (even though my great grandfather was prime minister lol), but here in the states, i don't think boxing fans think about the fact that ESPN is costing them almost $15 a month, ESPN+ is another $5, etc.

meanwhile, FOX is completely free, cordcutters can get showtime for $8.99 a month and FS1/FS2 add about $3 to your bill.

[KTFOKING]

where to start lol.

Let me repeat. I said Spence Khan wouldn’t have done anymore than Crawford Khan. You changed the fights. I’m sure you would agree with this.

As for Mikey I never said he did 90% of the sales lol. I didn’t give a percent. I said he’s somebody more than Spence did and it’s true.

Spence is a bigger star after? For beating a lightweight that only 360k people saw ?sure I’d u want to believe that.

You mentioned Postol. That wasn’t a real ppv fight. Even arum wanted it on hbo. Spence Postol would have sold the same way. You need to compare opponents.

Spence Porter will do less than Spence Mikey. I would bet on that.

Spence vs Porter would do more than Crawford vs Khan, that's a FACT. Only way I re-consider is if Crawford vs Khan somehow did close to 300k buys.

When did Mikey become this huge star? When did Mikey become such a bigger name than Spence? When did that happen? The were damn near on the same level going into that fight.

And um yes, Spence beating Mikey the way he did made a bigger star than Mikey and just a bigger name period. Doing 360k buys in your PPV is VERY impressive, especially going up against another non-PPV star.

Spence vs Khan with FOX's backing does more buys than Crawford vs Khan. ESPN didn't promote that fight one bit until the last week, compared to FOX that pushed the crap out of that fight. Crawford simply is the B side here, or will soon be the clear B side as Spence continues getting these big names. The final tip of the cap will be Spence getting the winner of Pacquiao/Thurman.

So you didn't answer my question, which fight does more buys, Spence vs Pacquiao or Spence vs Crawford? Heck, you could argue Spence vs Thurman does similar buys to Spence vs Crawford. Do you agree with that? If you do, what exactly is this BS about doing a joint PPV here with Crawford? It's not like it is a commercial bonanza or anything. Spence has other options just as lucrative than Crawford and one even more lucrative yet Arum won't send Crawford over? Huh? Why are we going to act like Crawford is this big star when it is clear he is not? And if the PPV does 150-175k buys, then Arum needs to be crucified for those crazy demands. This is where Crawford needs to take manners in his own hands and DEMAND Arum to make the fight even if it means if crossing over. He needs to tell Arum he won't accept no weak demand of a joint PPV in a PPV that isn't even that big.

[killakali]

well i can't speak for the canadian market (even though my great grandfather was prime minister lol), but here in the states, i don't think boxing fans think about the fact that ESPN is costing them almost $15 a month, ESPN+ is another $5, etc.

meanwhile, FOX is completely free, cordcutters can get showtime for $8.99 a month and FS1/FS2 add about $3 to your bill.

so I get all the espn channels which has football basketball baseball boxing ufc soccer nfl draft etc for $15 a month or waste 8.99 for showtime for a card which is a mismatch half the time every 2 months on average and fs1 which hardly has zero nfl or nba and just a few baseball games for $12?

You are making espn sound way better than fs1 and showtime. You are doing a great job selling espn as a bargain.

[Pigeons]

Spence will be in a position to demand the lion's share of the purse if he continues to draw higher PPV numbers and holds 3 WW belts. I will be very interested in his PPV numbers vs. Porter.

[killakali]

Spence vs Porter would do more than Crawford vs Khan, that's a FACT. Only way I re-consider is if Crawford vs Khan somehow did close to 300k buys.

When did Mikey become this huge star? When did Mikey become such a bigger name than Spence? When did that happen? The were damn near on the same level going into that fight.

And um yes, Spence beating Mikey the way he did made a bigger star than Mikey and just a bigger name period. Doing 360k buys in your PPV is VERY impressive, especially going up against another non-PPV star.

Spence vs Khan with FOX's backing does more buys than Crawford vs Khan. ESPN didn't promote that fight one bit until the last week, compared to FOX that pushed the crap out of that fight. Crawford simply is the B side here, or will soon be the clear B side as Spence continues getting these big names. The final tip of the cap will be Spence getting the winner of Pacquiao/Thurman.

So you didn't answer my question, which fight does more buys, Spence vs Pacquiao or Spence vs Crawford? Heck, you could argue Spence vs Thurman does similar buys to Spence vs Crawford. Do you agree with that? If you do, what exactly is this BS about doing a joint PPV here with Crawford? It's not like it is a commercial bonanza or anything. Spence has other options just as lucrative than Crawford and one even more lucrative yet Arum won't send Crawford over? Huh? Why are we going to act like Crawford is this big star when it is clear he is not? And if the PPV does 150-175k buys, then Arum needs to be crucified for those crazy demands. This is where Crawford needs to take manners in his own hands and DEMAND Arum to make the fight even if it means if crossing over. He needs to tell Arum he won't accept no weak demand of a joint PPV in a PPV that isn't even that big.

Spence Khan doesn’t do more than Crawford vs khan. It’s the same story. Espn has specials on Crawford and khan before fight week. They did their biggest push fight week because people don’t buy fights a month out. They buy day of or a few days prior.

Thurman Spence doesn’t do as many as Spence Crawford and you know that.

Crawford contractually can’t go to fox unless it’s a mandatory fight and u know that too.

Only 360k people saw Spence’s fight. How did that make him a bigger star when most casuals don’t even know that fight happened ? It had 360k views don’t forget that.

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so I get all the espn channels which has football basketball baseball boxing ufc soccer nfl draft etc for $15 a month or waste 8.99 for showtime for a card which is a mismatch half the time every 2 months on average and fs1 which hardly has zero nfl or nba and just a few baseball games for $12?

Everybody should enjoy whatever they enjoy. I have no interest in anything on ESPN other than boxing and what little boxing they have, I'm rarely interested in. "Max on Boxing" is usually the only thing I watch on ESPN most weeks.

As for Showtime, I watch Shameless, The Circus, Action, various documentaries and movies, etc. I could easily give up ESPN. I'd hate to give up Showtime.

But everybody is different. I'm not saying what the better deal is. I'm saying what interests me more.

[KTFOKING]

Spence Khan doesn’t do more than Crawford vs khan. It’s the same story. Espn has specials on Crawford and khan before fight week. They did their biggest push fight week because people don’t buy fights a month out. They buy day of or a few days prior.

Thurman Spence doesn’t do as many as Spence Crawford and you know that.

Crawford contractually can’t go to fox unless it’s a mandatory fight and u know that too.

Only 360k people saw Spence’s fight. How did that make him a bigger star when most casuals don’t even know that fight happened ? It had 360k views don’t forget that.

Okay, break it down for me then. How many buys do all these fights do:

Spence vs Crawford
Spence vs Thurman
Spence vs Pacquiao

And if Thurman beats Pacquiao, then you are crazy if you don't think it does as many, if not at least close to the amount of buys as Spence vs Crawford.

LOL, because a fight did 360k buys doesn't mean only 360k people watched him. Don't play ****** here. Obviously plenty of people streamed the fight and PPVs attract fight parties that regular network fights don't. And I'll tell you what, doing 360k buys damn sure helped him be a much bigger star than someone doing 150-200k buys. This dude Spence on his first PPV legit did as many buys as both Ward/Kovalev fights and more than GGG vs Lemieux and GGG vs Jacobs fights. Heck, did possibly damn near as many buys as both Crawford PPVs.

Crawford is contractually obligated to ESPN? Oh yeah, tell me more please. Does he have some type of exclusive deal? So you're telling me with his extension which has him tied to TR for four more years, cannot fight outside of ESPN? Interesting, so why would one do that when damn near all his competition is on another network? He's not THAT ****** is he? Find me if you can where it says he has a full on exclusive deal with ESPN, REALLY interested in reading about that.

So tell me, because you seem to agree with me this isn't a MEGA fight yet and unlikely of any joint PPVs, then how does this fight happen? What do you propose?

[Raggamuffin]

Name a PPV that did under 200k that was considered a success.....I'll wait

PBC **** blowing at its best lmao. I could blow this up 1000 ways but you still wouldn’t get it.
Dont try to ask a question that favors your own petty ass argument lmao. You don’t even know why they have even been putting fights on ppv that they know is a risk to sell. It’s not even about selling a bunch of ppvs anymore. Take the blinders off.