Comments Thread For: Espinoza: Let's Get Back To Making Biggest Fights For Wilder

[doom_specialist]

Wilder/Fury didn't outsell AJ's last 2 fights at all. It's just that your PPV's are so expensive. However, the PPV company takes over half the money before the fighters get a chance to split it. Wilder and Fury both took home 7 Mill. AJ gets paid over 25 Mill a fight or more.

Wilder did this because of Fury, who is the second biggest draw after AJ. Could you imagine the money AJ would earn if he was fighting Fury? AJ picks up big cheques doing it against anyone in the top 10. Wilder doesn't. So the only one being blind here, is you.

Wow lol. So, the cost of PPV in America is precisely why Wilder is making money at 4X the rate Joshua is. That's the whole point of trying to get the duck to come here, and you just admitted it, in the form of a quite terrible excuse for why Wilder was able to take in more revenue than Joshua's last 2 fights. You can keep (oddly) bragging about Joshua making more, but THEY'RE BOTH BRINGING IN THE SAME LEVEL OF CASH, whether you like that or not. 325K buys from Wilder beats all of those millions of buys Joshua has in Europe via simple math. Again, this site reported it lol

[doom_specialist]

Lolx.... another deluded wilder fan.
What exactly does wilder bring in?

Another person who would rather blindly lie, than spend 2 minutes doing research. Fans will be fans though.

https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-wi...rrible--134502

"Wilder-Fury, at a price range of $74.99, brought in $24.3 million in pay-per-view revenue. While Whyte-Parker, which retailed for a third of that price at £19.95, only brought in $8.1 million in revenue under the same buy number as Wilder-Fury."

Joshua-Povetkin did something like $22.7M, with millions of PPV and tens of thousands at the gate. I don't even understand why it's such a big deal. I'm just saying that based on those numbers, and especially considering that that was Wilder's debut, it's hard to argue that 50-50 is unreasonable. When he sells 500K buys, Joshua won't even have bargaining power anymore lol

[Sid-Knee]

Wow lol. So, the cost of PPV in America is precisely why Wilder is making money at 4X the rate Joshua is. That's the whole point of trying to get the duck to come here, and you just admitted it, in the form of a quite terrible excuse for why Wilder was able to take in more revenue than Joshua's last 2 fights. You can keep (oddly) bragging about Joshua making more, but THEY'RE BOTH BRINGING IN THE SAME LEVEL OF CASH, whether you like that or not. 325K buys from Wilder beats all of those millions of buys Joshua has in Europe via simple math. Again, this site reported it lol

Did Wilder take home more than 7 Mill in the Fury fight? No. Did AJ take more than Wilder in his last 2 fights? Yes. He took home over 25 Mill for each of those fights.

AJ is getting paid over 30 Mill for his next fight. How much do you think he'd earn with Fury when he makes this much fighting the likes of Miller? Think about it. But try not to hurt yourself.

Wilder isn't making that money though is he? The PPV company takes 55%. So they are the ones who in fact make the most money. When that changes, and the fighters take home all of it, give me a call. Until then, it's a non starter. The TV company takes money from AJ's PPV's as well. That's just how it all works.

Try and twist this all you like but it's painfully silly on your part.

[Laligalaliga]

Another person who would rather blindly lie, than spend 2 minutes doing research. Fans will be fans though.

https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-wi...rrible--134502

"Wilder-Fury, at a price range of $74.99, brought in $24.3 million in pay-per-view revenue. While Whyte-Parker, which retailed for a third of that price at £19.95, only brought in $8.1 million in revenue under the same buy number as Wilder-Fury."

Joshua-Povetkin did something like $22.7M, with millions of PPV and tens of thousands at the gate. I don't even understand why it's such a big deal. I'm just saying that based on those numbers, and especially considering that that was Wilder's debut, it's hard to argue that 50-50 is unreasonable. When he sells 500K buys, Joshua won't even have bargaining power anymore lol

Lolx....... Says the guy fighting on free TV.

[doom_specialist]

Did Wilder take home more than 7 Mill in the Fury fight? No. Did AJ take more than Wilder in his last 2 fights? Yes. He took home over 25 Mill for each of those fights.

AJ is getting paid over 30 Mill for his next fight. How much do you think he'd earn with Fury when he makes this much fighting the likes of Miller? Think about it. But try not to hurt yourself.

Wilder isn't making that money though is he? The PPV company takes 55%. So they are the ones who in fact make the most money. When that changes, and the fighters take home all of it, give me a call. Until then, it's a non starter. The TV company takes money from AJ's PPV's as well. That's just how it all works.

Try and twist this all you like but it's painfully silly on your part.

It's painfully depressing that you can't comprehend that what a fighter demands in negotiations is based on the business he brings in, and not what he gets paid in relation to his opponent. Wilder can generate what Joshua can, and he's only getting more popular, which means it's only a matter of time until Joshua will out of options playing the "A-side" game.

As far as your claims about PPV companies, the richest fighters in history all made it happen in America, so 55% doesn't seem to be so bad. When Wilder sells just 800K or so in PPV, you'll understand lol

[Sid-Knee]

It's painfully depressing that you can't comprehend that what a fighter demands in negotiations is based on the business he brings in, and not what he gets paid in relation to his opponent. Wilder can generate what Joshua can, and he's only getting more popular, which means it's only a matter of time until Joshua will out of options playing the "A-side" game.

As far as your claims about PPV companies, the richest fighters in history all made it happen in America, so 55% doesn't seem to be so bad. When Wilder sells just 800K or so in PPV, you'll understand lol

But Wilder can't sell PPV outside of Fury and AJ though. You seem to not understand this. Why do you think the Brezeale fight isn't on PPV? Because Wilder isn't a PPV fighter. Trying to make out that the PPV he did with Fury is his usual is nothing short of madness.

Fury was the reason for the PPV, not Wilder. That's why it was his first PPV. Wilder just doesn't generate enough money and isn't a star to do so.

What you take home does count. Nothing else does.

Wilder's true worth is what he was getting paid against Ortiz and going backwards all the way to his first fight. His biggest payday was just over 2 Mill. So no, he isn't getting half.

Wilder will sell 800K in PPV? Stop with the fantasies and come back down to earth. Delusion isn't a good look. It's you who will understand when Wilder fails to come anywhere near close to this outside of an AJ fight. He's not a star, and he never will be. Anything else will just bomb.

[doom_specialist]

But Wilder can't sell PPV outside of Fury and AJ though. You seem to not understand this. Why do you think the Brezeale fight isn't on PPV? Because Wilder isn't a PPV fighter. Trying to make out that the PPV he did with Fury is his usual is nothing short of madness.

Fury was the reason for the PPV, not Wilder. That's why it was his first PPV. Wilder just doesn't generate enough money and isn't a star to do so.

What you take home does count. Nothing else does.

Wilder's true worth is what he was getting paid against Ortiz and going backwards all the way to his first fight. His biggest payday was just over 2 Mill. So no, he isn't getting half.

Wilder will sell 800K in PPV? Stop with the fantasies and come back down to earth. Delusion isn't a good look. It's you who will understand when Wilder fails to come anywhere near close to this outside of an AJ fight. He's not a star, and he never will be. Anything else will just bomb.

A guy with absolutely no US presence AND coming off of a 2 year retirement is the reason why Wilder's DEBUT sold well? You have fun with that. I've said about all I think I wanted to.

[j.razor]

It's on a YT video after they turned the offer down. There are many videos with loads of people talking about it in the comments.

Man, are you behind the times.

I want a link. Why can't you provide it, cuz your source is not legit??

[j.razor]

That didn't answer my questions. But I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

It answered the question, you just don't like the answer cuz the truth hurts you inside....LOL....I would expect everything less from you....LMMFAO!

[Sid-Knee]

A guy with absolutely no US presence AND coming off of a 2 year retirement is the reason why Wilder's DEBUT sold well? You have fun with that. I've said about all I think I wanted to.

Yeah, you're right. Why would a Fury who had been out of the ring for 2 and a half years be Wilder's first PPV? It wasn't like Fury was the second biggest draw in the division after AJ or anything. They could have done PPV in the past and made a success out of it but they were just looking out for the fans. Wilder getting paid a pittance was also him looking out for the fans too. What a guy. Fury had nothing to do with it. It's not like he had more fans in the build up and in the arena or anything. Haha.

Yeah, you have fun with that too.