Comments Thread For: Espinoza: Wilder Would Be Criticized Less If People Knew Purse

[SchoolTheseCats]

I hear what you're saying.

I just don't see where Showtime is getting the money to pay him? They have to be banking on the Joshua and Fury fights coming into play and making a lot of money. But man I just hope Wilder isn't screwing himself over here and costing himself a lot of money.

Seems like there is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes, including a proxy war between DAZN and the traditional promoters and networks.

Showtime has a boxing budget for the year and haven’t put on really any cards all year they have the money and is letting wilder bombsquadz promotion co promote card to bring in more money from ticket sells, concessions and merchandise sold at venue

[kafkod]

you could almost say you couldn't make it up, but when it comes to Wilder, his team and his fanbase - they are a very deranged bunch of people. The fans have come out of nowhere as well.

Finkel is either senile or he knows that Wilder's new found fan base is incapable of critical thought and doesn't even try to be consistent in his statements.

How else can you explain him cancelling private meetings and sending offers to AJ via social media last year, then this year saying: "Eddie Hearn talks too much. You don't make a fight like this by talking about offers to the media. You talk to the other side in private, behind the scenes."

[Lemonhead_Jeff]

How can they afford to pay him $20 million for Breazeale? I feel like DAZN could rob Peter to pay Paul for the Wilder-Breazeale fight, with the Joshua fight(s) and also with other revenue they could take in from other fights and services on DAZN. Taking a gamble in way.

But what has Wilder ever made besides the Fury fight? If you don't count Pac/Floyd, there are only 2 superstars - Joshua and Canelo, in the sport right now. They can fight a lot of people and have it be PPV. Someone like GGG is probably the 3rd 'star' right now but he would struggle to do a good PPV against most people. I don't think Wilder's fan base is probably even half of GGG's right now. So Wilder's PPV potential is even more limited.

A service like DAZN could actually be a blessing for boxing fans (and boxers) - all these guys signed to the same service, and the service makes them fight each other. And the boxers seem to be getting paid very well by DAZN. I just can't see why Wilder is passing up that money but maybe he really is getting paid very well by Showtime, idk. I just don't really see how.

Him not going to DAZN not only deprives us of the best fighting the best it also may cost him a lot of money. Hopefully for his sake Showtime is able to make that fight with Joshua but man those were some crazy numbers being offered to Wilder. I don't see how the fight brings that much in. If you pass up an opportunity like that it may not come around again.

Not everyone is as enamored with DAZN as you seem to
be. And why should they be? DAZN does not release info
about their subscription numbers or viewership for events.
They've been investing billions, but are they getting the
return they require to sustain themselves? They've already
doubled the monthly subscription fee that they charge for
their service, and that's less than a year being launched.
Can they reasonably raise the subscription price even
higher in the future? Would you pay $30 or $40 per month?
You can't blame fighters/promoters for being reluctant to
board a sinking ship. DAZN might be the unsinkable titanic.

[marvin douglas]

Showtime has a boxing budget for the year and haven’t put on really any cards all year they have the money and is letting wilder bombsquadz promotion co promote card to bring in more money from ticket sells, concessions and merchandise sold at venue

According to Forbes, the break even point for showtime on the Wilder-Fury fight was 250,000 buys and it a little over 320,000 buys.

Wilder's made 4 mil guaranteed and another possible 4 mil from the PPV.

[kafkod]

What was untrue? They made two offers as you said, both for fights with AJ and other opponents. Wilder did not turn down any DAZN offers to fight AJ and AJ alone.

But his team had the opportunity to talk to John Skipper about fighting AJ and AJ alone on DAZN, and they didn't want to discuss it.

[KTFOKING]

According to Forbes, the break even point for showtime on the Wilder-Fury fight was 250,000 buys and it a little over 320,000 buys.

Wilder's made 4 mil guaranteed and another possible 4 mil from the PPV.

No, that wasn't his actual guarantee. That was his reported guarantee. Two different things. I see no way how he came away with less than 10M from that fight.

[marvin douglas]

A Wilder-Breazeale fight would do 200,000 buys at most.

[Ake-Dawg]

Wilder is plain and simple a massive POS all the way around. Fanboy.

Does one of your kids look like him? You seem aggrieved.

[marvin douglas]

No, that wasn't his actual guarantee. That was his reported guarantee. Two different things. I see no way how he came away with less than 10M from that fight.

The fight grossed less than 25 mil according to forbes.

[KTFOKING]

The fight grossed less than 25 mil according to forbes.

Are you talking just US PPV buys?

325,000*75 = 24,375,000/2 = 12,187,500 *.* = 10,968,750
Let's say they made 5M off UK PPV sales, plus 3.5M off the gate. That right there already gets you around 20M. Then you have international revenue plus sponsorship money. Even when paying UC fighters and what not, still over 20M left for two main event fighters. Like I said, highly doubtful he came away with making less than 10M that fight.