Comments Thread For: Espinoza: Wilder Would Be Criticized Less If People Knew Purse

[Ake-Dawg]

But his team had the opportunity to talk to John Skipper about fighting AJ and AJ alone on DAZN, and they didn't want to discuss it.

We don't know if that was discussed or not. We just know that the multi-fight deal was not accepted. For all we know, they decided to couch the single fight discussion until after the interim fights. What I do derive from what has been said is that Wilder's team believes that Wilder stands to make more via a percentage split of a PPV than he would with the current flat fee offer from DAZN. Which is why I agree that an offer needs to come from Wilder's team which, in turn sets a baseline for guarantees that DAZN address for both fighters.

[Boxing_1013]

How can they pay him 40 mil to fight A.J. is the better question.

A million buys @ $75.00 per is only 75 mil and they are not giving Wilder over half of the gross.

All these numbers just don't add up.

Oh I agree completely. No one in this era, as far as I can tell, is doing 1/3rd of what Mayweather was doing. So where is this money coming from?

I know Joshua is a big star but Fury Wilder only did 300k right? I just don't understand these payout numbers either.

I understand the Canelo deal for DAZN. He is a superstar and they have him for a lot of fights. I even understand getting GGG and paying him, as the GGG Canelo fights did well and a 3rd or 4th should bring in maybe 100 million every time they fight.

Maybe I'm wrong I just don't see Joshua Wilder doing as well as the Canelo GGG fights, and they are trying to pay both Wilder and Joshua better than Canelo it seems. Like $100 million total to both guys, whereas Canelo probably gets $45 million and GGG $35 or so.

I just don't get the numbers. Ward Kov did like 150k and 135k. PPV is just not selling these days. The only way the Joshua Wilder fight makes big money is if it is because of Joshua. As exciting as Wilder is he just doesn't bring in the viewers like AJ. But I don't even see how those guys could net $60 million in that fight, which would be AJ probably $40-$20 for Wilder.

I don't get it and I am not really a Wilder fan but I hope he doesn't screw himself out of a lot of money.

[jas]

espinoza bragging about overpaying wilder

wilder will probably not fight on showtime after this unless they pay whyte huge money

[Boxing_1013]

He do not need to go to Dazn to get Joshua fight have no idea why people keep spewing that lie.... What needs to happen now is fox/showtime/dazn/espn present each guy with best contract they can offer without having to sign long term deals with them if they both win next fights and take that, they both are network free agents

Just seems like DAZN is offering Wilder the most money and the best deal. Saying you don't want to be committed to a network makes sense if they aren't paying you and/or if it is for a lot of fights.

But if they offered him $100-120 million for 3-4 fights, I mean I don't see a better deal for him than that. I don't see the fights doing that kind of money, just imo. What if they do a one fight deal and it does half the money they expect? He could screw himself out of a lot of money.

Not a Wilder fan I just think these guys work too hard and too dangerously and when they have the opportunity to get paid they should take it, I am worried he will miss out on a lot of money. We will see how it plays out though.

[Ray*]

Yea, but AJ is getting sick and tired of Wilder calling his name while ducking the fight. AJ wouldn't be calling Wilder out as much as showing Wilder who the boss is. Imagine Wilder coming out and being distracted by AJ in the crowd, and getting KO'd by Breazeale. Be a comedy classic that would. The reason it can't happen is because Wilder is fighting in May, and AJ fighting Miller in June lol. Bad timing.

Did it work for Fury when he went to Wilder fight and called him out? What was the excuse given by Wilder then? “I have a mandatory to take care of” even though Fury himself had a mandatory for the IBF belt, even though a unification would have meant Wilder was able to fight Fury then! Like I said it takes two to tango, Wilder would never take that fight unless it’s on showtime, in America and under his protective terms.

[Boxing_1013]

Showtime has a boxing budget for the year and haven’t put on really any cards all year they have the money and is letting wilder bombsquadz promotion co promote card to bring in more money from ticket sells, concessions and merchandise sold at venue

Hey man I hope it works out for Wilder. I don't really think he is a big star like that to be bringing in a ton of extra revenue. I don't think any of his fights, besides Fury, so far have probably done more than $15 million total. So where is the money coming from to pay him more than that for Breazeale?

If someone has numbers to indicate Wilder fights bring in a lot more money I would love to see them and be proven wrong.

[Boxing_1013]

Not everyone is as enamored with DAZN as you seem to
be. And why should they be? DAZN does not release info
about their subscription numbers or viewership for events.
They've been investing billions, but are they getting the
return they require to sustain themselves? They've already
doubled the monthly subscription fee that they charge for
their service, and that's less than a year being launched.
Can they reasonably raise the subscription price even
higher in the future? Would you pay $30 or $40 per month?
You can't blame fighters/promoters for being reluctant to
board a sinking ship. DAZN might be the unsinkable titanic.

I agree that the amounts DAZN is paying out to fighters appear very high. But if you can even get a couple fights at those rates, and then it goes bust, well you did well for yourself.

I don't even subscribe at this point. But for a one month deal and a big fight I would pay a decent amount. Over $10 and less than the $99 charged for a PPV event.

And I wasn't really hyping DAZN as much as I am hoping that it, or some service like it, establishes itself and acts as the promoter/matchmaker. It is a good model for the fans in the sense that the fighters under its promotion will almost certainly have to fight each other, and often, to recoup the money DAZN or another service invests in them.

[TreJac]

Sounds like the white man is milking Wilder for more money! They have been paying Wilder pennies up to this point compared to what Joshua has been making but now Espinoza is saying Wilder is going to be compensated? Really? Who can they get to face Wilder for a $20-40 million payday without Joshua and Fury? No one!

[bigdunny1]

Espinoza is full of shyt. lol This is damage control spin nothing more. He is being paid less that's why Espinoza is so damn cryptic it's why Wilder and his management have been cryptic. In the past all these guys have had no problems screaming from the roof top the money they making. All this BS well he is making a lot of money we just can't tell you how much but if we did nobody would criticize him. Load of horse shyt because if that were true then releasing that info would kill all the criticism he taking for passing on large deals. Showtime is NOT paying him 20M(DAZN offer) for a fight that isn't even on PPV especially with no long term contract for future fights. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain ******ed.

And Wilder isn't loyal to Showtime he is loyal to Haymon. Hell he's already fought many times outside of Showtime. If he was "loyal" to Showtime he wouldn't of fought on FOX (Twice), NBC, CBS ect . He went a 2 year stretch where he stopped fighting on Showtime had just one fight on Showtime during that stretch and whatever other network Haymon told him to for the rest. That's like a man saying his girlfriend is loyal to him meanwhile she has been caught cheating on him 4 times already. LMAO

[marvin douglas]

Are you talking just US PPV buys?

325,000*75 = 24,375,000/2 = 12,187,500 *.* = 10,968,750
Let's say they made 5M off UK PPV sales, plus 3.5M off the gate. That right there already gets you around 20M. Then you have international revenue plus sponsorship money. Even when paying UC fighters and what not, still over 20M left for two main event fighters. Like I said, highly doubtful he came away with making less than 10M that fight.

Again, according to Forbes, the 325,000 buys were world-wide, not just the U.S. Market, and the fight was considerably cheaper outside the U.S., especially in Europe.