Are there any posters on here willing to admit they had Wilder wrong?

[Jax teller]

So you're just going to repeatedly deny undeniable fact? Well there's not much point in a conversation then.

Post the proof then with the Wembley dates being provided a couple days before the Povetkin fight was demanded I'll help you out 26/06/2018 was when it was demanded to be with in "immediate effect" and the Wilder fight could no longer happen.

Also I'll remind you they weren't planning it for September as they wanted to avoided a clash of two American PPV's with Canelo so they were talking about doing the show at the Prinicipality Cardiff in October/November instead as it has a roof.

[Mirror Universe]

they weren't planning it for September as they wanted to avoided a clash of two American PPV's with Canelo

The fight wasn't going to be on PPV in the US, so that excuse doesn't hold any water.

[Double]

AJ fanboys have defended every duck move hes made...now they are so desperate to deflect that they are actually calling this duck....why are you guys attempting to deflect from AJs duck moves you previously denied?! lol

WILDER WAS ALWAYS FIGHTING BREZEALE NEXT.....i know its tough for you guys to get through your thick, brainless, skulls

hes not letting DAZN have a piece of him with no risk...hes not letting DAZN dictate terms

wilder was fighting brezeale next...and aj was fighting miller next....NOTHING HAS CHANGED

when both of them are done wilder will go to them and demand 50-50 of the fight...and AJ can decide if he wants to duck again or not

NOTHING HAS CHANGED...but some of you are so desperate to paint wilder as a ducker after round after round of duck moves by hearn that you are reaching so sadly and desperately

You have a point, if both win their next fights, we will see who truly wants the fight...hopefully

[icha]

I disagree.

Fury's fights are generally dull affairs and many in the US believe that his victory against Wlad was a fluke. Then he went crazy and was out of the fight game for 2 1/2 years. So whatever little name recognition he had in the US was gone. Then he fought a couple of club fighters in the UK before drawing with Wilder. He also looks like the homeless guy begging for change down the street in a torn Santa Clause costume.

AJ has been fighting all along, is a gold medalist, looks like an Adonis, holds belts and is now fighting in Madison Square Garden to build his profile in the US. He's a helluva lot easier to sell on a ticket than Fury.

joshua is no ppv atraction in the us, period... is a good fight, but nothing else when it comes to ppv...
casuals dont know who joshua is... 1 mill ppvs, yeah right...

[Granath]

joshua is no ppv atraction in the us, period... is a good fight, but nothing else when it comes to ppv...
casuals dont know who joshua is... 1 mill ppvs, yeah right...

You realize that's what promoters do, don't you?

• Joshua is an undefeated gold medalist.
• His KO percentage is 95%.
• He looks like an Adonis.
• He has a great smile and is articulate.
• He has two major titles.
• He's a Brit.
• He's a heavyweight.

This is what we call low hanging fruit. If a promoter can't sell this guy in the US then they couldn't sell water in the desert. Not to mention he's being smart by fighting in Madison Square Garden to raise his US profile.

This is not a difficult task. Just like it shouldn't be hard to sell Wilder to UK fans as the swing-from-the-fences, brash American undefeated HW champion.

[Redsox]

i am willing to admit it if there is a few dollars in it

[icha]

You realize that's what promoters do, don't you?

• Joshua is an undefeated gold medalist.
• His KO percentage is 95%.
• He looks like an Adonis.
• He has a great smile and is articulate.
• He has two major titles.
• He's a Brit.
• He's a heavyweight.

This is what we call low hanging fruit. If a promoter can't sell this guy in the US then they couldn't sell water in the desert. Not to mention he's being smart by fighting in Madison Square Garden to raise his US profile.

This is not a difficult task. Just like it shouldn't be hard to sell Wilder to UK fans as the swing-from-the-fences, brash American undefeated HW champion.

nothing in your list matters, casuals dont know any of that, he is no ppv atraction, he could go to a local grocery store and no one will know who he is, and to be honest here in america he will never be an atraction... he is a big atraction in uk ...

[Granath]

nothing in your list matters, casuals dont know any of that, he is no ppv atraction, he could go to a local grocery store and no one will know who he is, and to be honest here in america he will never be an atraction... he is a big atraction in uk ...

Quite obvious that you don't know anything about marketing.

[Holler]

You're talking to someone with an economics degree. I didn't say DAZN didn't have an impact. DAZN is just cutting through the BS of the terrible offers and publicly establishing a realistic assessment of the worth.

But the money has always been there for big fights and that's seen time and time again. Wilder's value didn't suddenly jump $25M because DAZN offered it to him. It's just that the offers before from Hearn have consistently been lowballs. They offered AJ $50 and it was a nonstarter - not even worth presenting the deal - because no fighter worth his salt like AJ is going to cap his earnings potential on such a huge fight. Undefeated heavyweight champs with great KO records don't fight every day. The public drools over those kinds of fights and they're always at a premium.

The whole point is that the ducking claims on BOTH sides are entirely horsecrap. They're continuing to build the gate and each side is seeing who blinks first. Eventually that pot of gold will get so large that it won't matter as long as they keep knocking out their opponents.

Wilder has to blink first because at his age his time frame is much shorter. He needs to fight AJ in the next couple of years before he slips to have any chance at the main bout and the inevitable rematch. This fight happens either in November or in 2020 and both guys will make huge bank.

So I didn't mean to patronise with that last post. I still don't understand how you can't recognise the disruptive effect DAZN's entry has had in the US market because the impact has been obvious way beyond this fight? You think that Canelo deal hasn't changed the landscape?

You say that the DAZN offer is a realistic assessment of his worth but you must be aware that new entrants to mature markets are going to pay more than the going rate and thus drive that rate upwards? Just how much do you think Wilder has been earning for his fights with Ortiz, Stiverne etc. You think $20m for Wilder v Breazeale was always the true market rate? You think he's getting that rate now? Exactly how are they going to recoup that in their broadcasting model if they don't even think it merits PPV status?

Finally, you've repeatedly compared the offers made by Hearn for a fight in the UK to these latest offers for a fight in the US and yet you've never acknowledged the very different market conditions that apply in the two territories. Without significant US broadcast revenues due to the time difference, there's a hard ceiling on those fights and given that they were already close to maxing that market the offers Hearn made were entirely consistent with that ceiling and what the two fighters brought to the table in commercial drawing power and titles etc. At that time the estimates for the fight in the US were comparable.

It looks like Hearn has given up trying to get Wilder to the UK, so of course the offers have changed, but your immediate assumption that it's due to an undervaluing of Wilder's drawing power doesn't take account of a far more fundamental change in the conditions. Namely a change in location and the heating up of the US market in the meantime.

[Bjl12]

Yes. I thought Wilder could be decent, but he is horrible. The equivalent of a Designated Hitter in baseball.

C level HW, honestly