Is It POSSIBLE Floyd USED Ariza Shakes for PAC?

[travestyny]

that's him countering it!!! he agreed to blood testing only if he gets the 24 days cut off. negotiation works both ways man. if pac agreed to floyd's 14 days, then what's the point of even asking for 24 in the first place???!! manny asking for 24 was "HIS" way of countering back. floyd didnt like it.

so you never accused manny of being on peds??? then what's all this going back and forth for? why bring up back acne? why bring up asking for a cut off?

The point I was trying to make from the beginning is that there's no proof of any of these boxers doping. I said that to you a number of times. It was you that starting going with the, "Well, this means there is more proof this way." It's just not necessary. I definitely didn't say Pac was doping.

But you need to be real. It was supposed to be random testing. Pac countered that with needing 30 days to recover. A whole 30 days! That's insane. Then the compromises came. Pac wanted 24 days. Mayweather agreed to 14 days.

Now you tell me....why the actual fvvck would anyone need even 14 days to recover from blood testing. Does that make sense to you? Again, I'm not saying he was doping, but who is being reasonable here? 14 days was more than enough. Much more than enough, in fact, which is why Roach was saying the fight not happening was Pac's fault, I assume.

[travestyny]

For me I didn't buy the timing of the accusations or the motives, or some of the claims being made to substantiate those accusations.

A common observation by Floyd and his supporters was Manny's weight gain over the course of his career. About 35 pounds over the course of 15 years. Yet, Floyd made the same gains in the exact amount of time when you factor in his weight as an amateur (107) all the way to 147. Floyd also had a higher KO% from 140 and up.

You didn't feel it was odd that he agreed to terms for the Mayweather fight in 2010 but it fell apart because he wanted 24 days to recover from giving 2tbsps of blood?

Especially coming off of accusations of doping.

[travestyny]

Yeah it would, actually, help him mask PED use. These guys understand when to flush the body, and when to do whatever else needs to be done. They know when the range is detectable, and when it is not.

Bro, an IV on May 1st is not going to have an affect on a urine sample after the fight on May 2nd. It's IV fluid, not magic.

NSAC themselves said only they can issue an exemption. Floyd's fighting under their rules. Just because Mayweather claims they don't have any rules for exemptions doesn't make that true at all.

The rules of the commission were posted at the time of the fight. There was no rule about an IV. It did not exist. This was not Mayweather's claim. This is a fact. If it were a rule, then De La Hoya would have had to get an exemption for his IV vs. Pacquiao.

So what would Mayweather need an exemption from NSAC for exactly???? The only reason he needed the exemption was because of WADA's rules. This should already be common knowledge. The fact of the matter is that if Mayweather didn't get the exemption, he would have violated WADA's rules, but not NSAC's rules.

[todisday]

Bro, an IV on May 1st is not going to have an affect on a urine sample after the fight on May 2nd. It's IV fluid, not magic.




The rules of the commission were posted at the time of the fight. There was no rule about an IV. It did not exist. This was not Mayweather's claim. This is a fact. If it were a rule, then De La Hoya would have had to get an exemption for his IV vs. Pacquiao.

So what would Mayweather need an exemption from NSAC for exactly???? The only reason he needed the exemption was because of WADA's rules. This should already be common knowledge. The fact of the matter is that if Mayweather didn't get the exemption, he would have violated WADA's rules, but not NSAC's rules.

Again, according to NSAC, they were the only ones authorized to grant exemptions.

IVs don't need to be magic to mask steroid use.

[travestyny]

Again, according to NSAC, they were the only ones authorized to grant exemptions.

And according to NSAC, Mayweather did nothing wrong, so that should be settled then, right?

IVs don't need to be magic to mask steroid use.

Yes, but it has to be used to mask steroid use. No one has reported him using another IV, so it makes no sense to discuss him masking his urine sample on May 2nd after the fight.

[todisday]

And according to NSAC, Mayweather did nothing wrong, so that should be settled then, right?




Yes, but it has to be used to mask steroid use. No one has reported him using another IV, so it makes no sense to discuss him masking his urine sample on May 2nd after the fight.

NSAC said the exact opposite; NSAC said they were the only ones authorized.

Steroids have detectable ranges. It's possible the IV covered the detectable range and wasn't necessary afterward. It's possible that use was enough to mask steroids given afterward. And, it's also possible further use went unreported.

There are many possibilities, but the bottom line is that all athletes are on steroids. Pacquiao isn't the only one.

But if you rather believe an athlete in his 40s is going around whooping 20 yearold kickboxing sensations, smaller or not, without a little extra help, then okie dokie.

[travestyny]

NSAC said the exact opposite; NSAC said they were the only ones authorized.

Maybe if I give you some information from the authorities here, you will understand what I've been telling you.

This doesn't look like the exact opposite.

On the day of the Mayweather-Berto fight, NSAC executive director Bob Bennett said: "Mr. Mayweather has done nothing wrong. The Nevada State Athletic Commission has no interest in any type of investigation regarding his IV. He did not violate the WADA Prohibited List for any type of drugs that are prohibited on that list, and we have no interest in it whatsoever."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2015/09/16/usada-responds-to-inaccuracies-in-sb-nation-story-on-floyd-mayweathers-iv/99766200/

Steroids have detectable ranges. It's possible the IV covered the detectable range and wasn't necessary afterward. It's possible that use was enough to mask steroids given afterward. And, it's also possible further use went unreported.

There are many possibilities, but the bottom line is that all athletes are on steroids. Pacquiao isn't the only one.

But if you rather believe an athlete in his 40s is going around whooping 20 yearold kickboxing sensations, smaller or not, without a little extra help, then okie dokie.

Once again, an IV doesn't work the way you think it does. IT MASKS BY DILUTION. SEE FOR YOUR SELF.

WHY THE IV RULE?

To protect clean sport and athlete health and safety. It is a fact that IVs can be used to change blood test results (such as hematocrit where EPO or blood doping is being used), mask urine test results (by dilution) or by administering prohibited substances in a way that will more quickly be cleared from the body in order to beat an anti-doping test.

https://www.usada.org/iv-infusions-explanatory-note/

Now two things.

1. USADA is REQUIRED to get UNDILUTED urine samples from athletes for testing.

The Athlete shall be provided with the opportunity to hydrate, but advised not to hydrate excessively, due to the requirement to provide a Sample with a Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis.

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...14_v1.0_en.pdf

Specific gravity is how they measure for dilution.

A urine specific gravity test compares the density of urine to the density of water. This quick test can help determine how well your kidneys are diluting your urine.

https://www.healthline.com/health/urine-specific-gravity

Finally, if you think an IV taken over 24 hours before a urine test is going to dilute that urine test, which by the way is after a 12 round boxing match, and again, a urine sample that is REQUIRED to be undiluted, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

[todisday]

Maybe if I give you some information from the authorities here, you will understand what I've been telling you.

This doesn't look like the exact opposite.





Once again, an IV doesn't work the way you think it does. IT MASKS BY DILUTION. SEE FOR YOUR SELF.




Now two things.

1. USADA is REQUIRED to get UNDILUTED urine samples from athletes for testing.



Specific gravity is how they measure for dilution.



Finally, if you think an IV taken over 24 hours before a urine test is going to dilute that urine test, which by the way is after a 12 round boxing match, and again, a urine sample that is REQUIRED to be undiluted, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

lol I guess we'll agree to disagree, because we've covered these points before.

Thank goodness you're not a **********!

XD

[travestyny]

lol I guess we'll agree to disagree, because we've covered these points before.

Thank goodness you're not a **********!

XD

lol. Much respect, bro! Green K again when I can!