Comments Thread For: Wilder: I'd Definitely Rather Fight Breazeale On Fox Than PPV

[Redgloveman]

That's true, but principals don't negotiate by sending contracts back and forth. As you indicated in a previous post of yours, the draft contract is developed based upon the agreed-upon terms. To me, some believe that negotiations are kicked off by sending a draft contract with terms that haven't been agreed upon.

That’s fair enough.

[Jax teller]

This was a direct quote from AJ.


“It’s the first time I’ve ever had issues on the financial side for a fight. Let’s say for instance tat $50 million we spoke about. Listen, it’s a hell of a lot of money and an honor to even have that number thrown at me. But when you dissected it and what it was, it was kind of like a rights fee–we own you for this amount of money. The issue that I had is that I’ve got long-standing contracts in place and certain partnerships. So you may put that money forward and think you own me 100% but you may only own 50%, so that makes their 50 worth 25%.”

That doesn't relate to this elusive information you keep refering to and only explains why the 50 mil offer was no good.

Well done for admitting as it stood the deal was no good.

[Ake-Dawg]

That doesn't relate to this elusive information you keep refering to and only explains why the 50 mil offer was no good.

Well done for admitting as it stood the deal was no good.

The offer was good, it just didn't work for AJ and how he has his revenue streams set up. It's up to any promoter to know AJ financial constraints before making an offer.

My perspective is and has been that they had enough information to make their decision, which they did. Negotiations did not cease because AJ and Hearn did not receive the necessary information to make a decision nor was their decision based off of a lack of information.

Ultimately, there is no need to argue about whether a contract for other terms details were sent, when the basic terms of the offer (location of the fight in the US and team Wilder having promotional control) were unacceptable to Team Joshua.

[Jax teller]

The offer was good, it just didn't work for AJ and how he has his revenue streams set up. It's up to any promoter to know AJ financial constraints before making an offer.

My perspective is and has been that they had enough information to make their decision, which they did. Negotiations did not cease because AJ and Hearn did not receive the necessary information to make a decision nor was their decision based off of a lack of information.

Ultimately, there is no need to argue about whether a contract for other terms details were sent, when the basic terms of the offer (location of the fight in the US and team Wilder having promotional control) were unacceptable to Team Joshua.

How is it a good offer if it doesn't work?

Clearly information wasn't provided and was part of the reason why it wasn't accepted there can be more than one reason.

[Ray*]

How is it a good offer if it doesn't work?

Clearly information wasn't provided and was part of the reason why it wasn't accepted there can be more than one reason.

The offer obviously wasn't good, we all found out in the end why it wasn't. BT sports were funding it. Which would have given the chance of that fight happen 0%.

[Ake-Dawg]

How is it a good offer if it doesn't work?

Clearly information wasn't provided and was part of the reason why it wasn't accepted there can be more than one reason.

The offer obviously wasn't good, we all found out in the end why it wasn't. BT sports were funding it. Which would have given the chance of that fight happen 0%.

I think you both are conflating "good" with "acceptable". It was a good (not professionally or financially detrimental) offer that was reasonably turned down due to other financial commitments.

[Manlikefemi]

The offer obviously wasn't good, we all found out in the end why it wasn't. BT sports were funding it. Which would have given the chance of that fight happen 0%.

Why do you keep lying for. That BT Myth has been disproved. Joshua or Hearn didn’t even say anything about BT because they knew it was going to be on Sky.

Hearn didn’t accept the offer because he wants the fight to happen on DAZN. Even Barry Hearn’s tweet in December after the Wilder-Fury fight basically said the $50M offer was legit

[Ray*]

Why do you keep lying for. That BT Myth has been disproved. Joshua or Hearn didn’t even say anything about BT because they knew it was going to be on Sky.

Hearn didn’t accept the offer because he wants the fight to happen on DAZN. Even Barry Hearn’s tweet in December after the Wilder-Fury fight basically said the $50M offer was legit

Lying about Frank warren and Lou di bella telling us the money from coming from BT sport? Those were their words. Those words had nothing to do with Hearn or Joshua.

No matter what Team Joshua says that deal would have zero place for them once it became apparent that BT sport were involved....Are you trying to say Warren and Di bella are lying about that?

Prior to that no one knew about the source of the money because there was NO meeting...In accordance to Finkel own words.

[champion4ever]

Sometimes Deontay Wilder suffers from an occasional foot in the mouth disease. What he needs to understand is that when he says things like Breazeale should be on (free-to-air) Fox television, instead of Pay Per View he is lowering his overall stock market value in the process.

It's no wonder, he has earned less than $1.5mil per fight for his career. It's because this is the exact kind of mindset that has held him back and has prevented him from getting the huge PPV offers from other platforms.

His willingness to take shorts, chump change and peanuts just in order to get fights made is not only counterproductive but is also largely of his own undoing. He is not business savvy at all.

There's a lot that Wilder has to learn from a business standpoint. For one he needs a centralized promoter to help do his bidding for him because he talks way too much and it often lands him into trouble.

[Jax teller]

I think you both are conflating "good" with "acceptable". It was a good (not professionally or financially detrimental) offer that was reasonably turned down due to other financial commitments.

WTAF if the offer is unacceptable then the fight can't happen rendering the offer no good or if the offers no good then it might as well be unacceptable.

This is why you have the meetings so you know what commitments each team has already in place.