Wilder Smiles: Next fight on Showtime PPV vs Breazale

[killakali]

Eye test makes it pretty clear that Jarell Miller is worse than Dominic Breazeale.

Wilder-Fury drew 325k (plus whatever Showtime sold directly to folks online); to account for a significant chunk of folks tuning in to watch Fury is asinine.

On May 18th, the world win tune in to see Deontay Wilder, the heavyweight champion of the world, make 8th defense of his world title and again show the world why the other champion is running scared.

It's the Deontay Wilder Show.

nah I was at the guerreo Garcia card and watched Breazeale get beat up by an old Amir Mansour until his jaw got busted. Breazeale was getting his as handed to him. Igoh also dropped him. An unbiased observer would say miller looks better than Breazeale.

[Deus]

Have you seen Miller fight?

Even against the level that he's fought at, he hasn't shown too much beyond being able to lean on folks and be busy.

I'm good off of that

I have... don't think much to him. Still think more of him than Breazeale though because we know Breazeale cannot raise his game. If he could then he would have... there's still a possibility no matter how unlikely that Miller on the other hand rises to the occasion.

PPV fights are separate from the regular budget, lol.

So they might be... but they still have less money to play with for those than the likes of DAZN.

As mentioned; your listed Showtime plan for Wilder includes a bunch of fights they cannot guarantee... without those fights it's a bunch of mismatch fights that nobody would be clamouring for. Whereas signing with DAZN near enough guarantees a fight with Joshua; sounds to me like DAZN are offering much more than Showtime can.

[Scipio2009]

Lmao at showtime plan. The reason why showtime would be doing the Breazeale fight on ppv is because Top Rank exposed how underpaid wilder was by pbc. That showtime plan would never work unless wilder loses.

Top rank after Breazeale can just come back and offer wilder 20 or 25 million for fury. They don’t need showtime for anything. Neither does wilder.

Top rank just opened wilders eyes that he has been screwed over for years when Dillian Whyte was making more than him for most of his fights.

As for the DAZN plan u sure aren’t too bright or dontnknow who they have.

It would be Wilder vs Breazeale on DAZN
Then vs joshua 2-3x
Then Usyk if he wins two
Miller if he loses two.
Plus possible rematches

And you forget if wilder leaves there will be an exodus from pbc. Guys like Ortiz Kownacki and Breazeale will probably go to DAZN too.

Wilder as long as he wins is a ppv or streamed card fighter from here on out. He’s never going back to regular showtime or fox. Why would he fight for peanuts on those networks when top rank and DAZN will give him 8 figures to fight the likes of Dominic Breazeale ?

Wilders eyes have been opened by Canelo and GGG and Fury’s deals. He said himself he wants wants generational wealth and he has to leave pbc to get it.

Top Rank can offer whatever they want for Wilder's next fight; the camp will sit together, run the numbers, and make a decision. The Breazeale fight got pushed to PPV, but Wilder was basically heading to PPV for his next fight anyway.

The event covers, and there's no longer any apprehension for Wilder going to PPV.

Fury was granted an immediate rematch; Fury passing on that, with Breazeale now getting his mandatory shot turns Fury to a voluntary challenger (who already turned down $17.5m guaranteed, with 50% on any upside). lol.

Wilder has literally no reason to sign any years-long deal, because he's almost on the money. Wilder-Joshua might actually be a $100m fight, with the rematch being just as big if not bigger.

Joshua has a loyalty and contract to Sky Sports, but that's it, lol. Hash out the deal, hash out the rematch, and move on.

Canelo cashed out the rest of his career, pretty much; at $35m per fight, Canelo basically got DAZN to pay 1m PPV buys for his next 10 fights. We don't know what Golovkin's numbers are, but he's cashing out the rest of his career for a $30m Canelo payday and five more fights. Fury's entire deal seems contingent on getting Wilder to give him a rematch on his new channel.

Deontay Wilder is a Joshua fight away from being the undisputed heavyweight king, with another 3-4 good years on his body, with every other fighter basically being a step below him.

How big of a guarantee do you expect DAZN to put up for Wilder not to pursue that? lol

[Curt Henning]

Lmao at showtime plan. The reason why showtime would be doing the Breazeale fight on ppv is because Top Rank exposed how underpaid wilder was by pbc. That showtime plan would never work unless wilder loses.

Top rank after Breazeale can just come back and offer wilder 20 or 25 million for fury. They don’t need showtime for anything. Neither does wilder.

Top rank just opened wilders eyes that he has been screwed over for years when Dillian Whyte was making more than him for most of his fights.

As for the DAZN plan u sure aren’t too bright or dontnknow who they have.

It would be Wilder vs Breazeale on DAZN
Then vs joshua 2-3x
Then Usyk if he wins two
Miller if he loses two.
Plus possible rematches

And you forget if wilder leaves there will be an exodus from pbc. Guys like Ortiz Kownacki and Breazeale will probably go to DAZN too.

Wilder as long as he wins is a ppv or streamed card fighter from here on out. He’s never going back to regular showtime or fox. Why would he fight for peanuts on those networks when top rank and DAZN will give him 8 figures to fight the likes of Dominic Breazeale ?

Wilders eyes have been opened by Canelo and GGG and Fury’s deals. He said himself he wants wants generational wealth and he has to leave pbc to get it.

the fury to espn showed nothing...did nothing

arum just said the other day(someone posted the interview in a thread and i will find it if you must see it and dont believe) that the number they floated for fury is "absolute nonsense"...his own words....someone is out there using a PR tactic so they had a reason to duck the wilder fight right now....that money isnt guaranteed and has a wilder and AJ fight built into it

you are too dumb to understand whats going on here

everyone wants wilder on their network...espn wants him so they can make fury/wilder and have 100 percent control of the fight...and then they have the winner to take to AJ

DAZN wants wilder so they have 100 percent control of wilder/AJ and then they have the winner locked in on their network....

basically they will offer wilder more than his regular market value in the promise that they have control of him and the fights that they can make with him

at the end of the day i wouldnt be suprised if he decides to stick around showtime

DAZN will make him go to the UK for the fight...and the fight makes more money in the US...and showtime can get him 10 mil to fight brezeale.....thats not much less than what hearn is offering....at the end of the day giving yourself to DAZN and hearn might not be worth the extra 5 mil when you feel you can get the fight in the US down the road

[killakali]

Top Rank can offer whatever they want for Wilder's next fight; the camp will sit together, run the numbers, and make a decision. The Breazeale fight got pushed to PPV, but Wilder was basically heading to PPV for his next fight anyway.

The event covers, and there's no longer any apprehension for Wilder going to PPV.

Fury was granted an immediate rematch; Fury passing on that, with Breazeale now getting his mandatory shot turns Fury to a voluntary challenger (who already turned down $17.5m guaranteed, with 50% on any upside). lol.

Wilder has literally no reason to sign any years-long deal, because he's almost on the money. Wilder-Joshua might actually be a $100m fight, with the rematch being just as big if not bigger.

Joshua has a loyalty and contract to Sky Sports, but that's it, lol. Hash out the deal, hash out the rematch, and move on.

Canelo cashed out the rest of his career, pretty much; at $35m per fight, Canelo basically got DAZN to pay 1m PPV buys for his next 10 fights. We don't know what Golovkin's numbers are, but he's cashing out the rest of his career for a $30m Canelo payday and five more fights. Fury's entire deal seems contingent on getting Wilder to give him a rematch on his new channel.

Deontay Wilder is a Joshua fight away from being the undisputed heavyweight king, with another 3-4 good years on his body, with every other fighter basically being a step below him.

How big of a guarantee do you expect DAZN to put up for Wilder not to pursue that? lol

your missing the point. The point is that pbc can’t compete with DAZN and espn as far as wilder goes. Wilder can showtime ppv money for Breazeale but if he wants big money and legacy fights pbc has nothing for him.

And now after Bob arum and John skipper make these offers to him he sees Haymon has been screwing him over. He knows before the Fury fight that Dillian Whyte lololol was making more money than him.

Wilder needs to listen to DAZN and compare it to the espn offer and got to the one that offers him the biggest money in a career defining fight. That is 2 more fights vs fury or 2-3 vs Joshua. There is no reason or compelling fight to stay at pbc.

[killakali]

the fury to espn showed nothing...did nothing

arum just said the other day(someone posted the interview in a thread and i will find it if you must see it and dont believe) that the number they floated for fury is "absolute nonsense"...his own words....someone is out there using a PR tactic so they had a reason to duck the wilder fight right now....that money isnt guaranteed and has a wilder and AJ fight built into it

you are too dumb to understand whats going on here

everyone wants wilder on their network...espn wants him so they can make fury/wilder and have 100 percent control of the fight...and then they have the winner to take to AJ

DAZN wants wilder so they have 100 percent control of wilder/AJ and then they have the winner locked in on their network....

basically they will offer wilder more than his regular market value in the promise that they have control of him and the fights that they can make with him

at the end of the day i wouldnt be suprised if he decides to stick around showtime

DAZN will make him go to the UK for the fight...and the fight makes more money in the US...and showtime can get him 10 mil to fight brezeale.....thats not much less than what hearn is offering....at the end of the day giving yourself to DAZN and hearn might not be worth the extra 5 mil when you feel you can get the fight in the US down the road

the only person too dumb to understand what is going on is you reading some of your posts.

Wilder had been fighting for 2-3 mil a fight getting pimped by pbc and now is learning that he got f**ked over. He could have been making 8 figures already.

Top rank offers 12.4 mil DAZN 15 mil for Breazeale. Now showtime and pbc are scrambling to match these offers. When they could have offered them in the first place.

If you cut all the bs out all the money is in a Fury rematch or Joshua fight. Pbc has neither fighter. Wilder should go to DAZN or espn. Whoever gives him the best deal.

He has been at pbc for years. They don’t have the opponents he needs and don’t pay him 8 figures.

[Scipio2009]

your missing the point. The point is that pbc can’t compete with DAZN and espn as far as wilder goes. Wilder can showtime ppv money for Breazeale but if he wants big money and legacy fights pbc has nothing for him.

And now after Bob arum and John skipper make these offers to him he sees Haymon has been screwing him over. He knows before the Fury fight that Dillian Whyte lololol was making more money than him.

Wilder needs to listen to DAZN and compare it to the espn offer and got to the one that offers him the biggest money in a career defining fight. That is 2 more fights vs fury or 2-3 vs Joshua. There is no reason or compelling fight to stay at pbc.

Do you honestly think that Bob Arum was going to to pay $12.5m to Deontay Wilder to fight on ESPN or ESPN+? Khan is getting his $5m, Crawford is getting his $3m, and Arum is pushing that BS fight to PPV, lol.

Wilder-Breazeale is now PPV; that wasn't the initial plan for this fight, but that's the move. Wilder does the business that he's supposed to, and he rolls into another PPV in the second half of the year.

Joshua, Ortiz2, or Fury (Fury thinking $17.5m and 50% of the take was short to him likely kills that fight).

Tyson Fury is fighting a bum for $4m in June on ESPN+, and if he can't get the Wilder fight, will be fighting another bum on ESPN+ for $4m.

Joshua has the Miller voluntary in June, and then has to fight Pulev next (if not, he'll lose the IBF title) if he doesn't fight Wilder.

It's chess not checkers.

[Jsmooth9876]

the fury to espn showed nothing...did nothing

arum just said the other day(someone posted the interview in a thread and i will find it if you must see it and dont believe) that the number they floated for fury is "absolute nonsense"...his own words....someone is out there using a PR tactic so they had a reason to duck the wilder fight right now....that money isnt guaranteed and has a wilder and AJ fight built into it

you are too dumb to understand whats going on here

everyone wants wilder on their network...espn wants him so they can make fury/wilder and have 100 percent control of the fight...and then they have the winner to take to AJ



DAZN wants wilder so they have 100 percent control of wilder/AJ and then they have the winner locked in on their network....

basically they will offer wilder more than his regular market value in the promise that they have control of him and the fights that they can make with him


at the end of the day i wouldnt be suprised if he decides to stick around showtime

DAZN will make him go to the UK for the fight...and the fight makes more money in the US...and showtime can get him 10 mil to fight brezeale.....thats not much less than what hearn is offering....at the end of the day giving yourself to DAZN and hearn might not be worth the extra 5 mil when you feel you can get the fight in the US down the road

If Showtime pays Wilder 10 million to fight D.B. Espinoza should be fired before the end of the buisness day he signs that deal.

[Scipio2009]

your missing the point. The point is that pbc can’t compete with DAZN and espn as far as wilder goes. Wilder can showtime ppv money for Breazeale but if he wants big money and legacy fights pbc has nothing for him.

And now after Bob arum and John skipper make these offers to him he sees Haymon has been screwing him over. He knows before the Fury fight that Dillian Whyte lololol was making more money than him.

Wilder needs to listen to DAZN and compare it to the espn offer and got to the one that offers him the biggest money in a career defining fight. That is 2 more fights vs fury or 2-3 vs Joshua. There is no reason or compelling fight to stay at pbc.

Wilder is going to PPV soon; if Fury hadn't turned punk, he'd have had the December and May PPVs to start his run, but now it's a bit of a gamble with the Breazeale PPV.

With no obligation to anyone but his management team, Wilder is heading into his PPV run with the most proven PPV marketer backing him (and the actual broadest reach network in the camp too).

And none of Wilder's money is hinged on any one particular fight.

[Curt Henning]

the only person too dumb to understand what is going on is you reading some of your posts.

Wilder had been fighting for 2-3 mil a fight getting pimped by pbc and now is learning that he got f**ked over. He could have been making 8 figures already.

Top rank offers 12.4 mil DAZN 15 mil for Breazeale. Now showtime and pbc are scrambling to match these offers. When they could have offered them in the first place.

If you cut all the bs out all the money is in a Fury rematch or Joshua fight. Pbc has neither fighter. Wilder should go to DAZN or espn. Whoever gives him the best deal.

He has been at pbc for years. They don’t have the opponents he needs and don’t pay him 8 figures.

you literally have 0 grasp of whats going on..i feel sorry for you

wilder is one of the highest paid American boxers...he makes good US market value....

you have 0 clue what furys deal really is...arum even called the number absolute nonsense

the uk and us boxing markets are NOT the same...what AJ makes will not be made by a US fighter right now.....

wilder hasn't been getting ****ed...hes been getting his market share.....

the only reason anyone is offering him big money to fight brezeale is that they know its above his market value...but that with it they'll get 100 percent control of his aj fight and they'll have the option on the winner

wilder isn't getting ****ed by anyone and he hasn't been

wilder didn't say he was unhappy where he was...he simply said hes free to fight wherever if those guys wanna fight right now! but they don't....they both want interim fights and will fight if he signs options with their network!

you have 0 grasp of whats goin on and prob think fury has an 80 mil check in his pocket u dumb ****