Wilder Smiles: Next fight on Showtime PPV vs Breazale

[Ray*]

Once this PPV flops both Joshua and Fury will use those numbers against him in negotiations. For Fury it will be cut and draw they will say with me you did over 300K buys without me you did 100K buys. I'm the A I call the shots. They should just let him get that money on DAZN. Hearn offered him a 2 fight deal with this fight then a guarantee to fight Joshua on WHATEVER network bids the highest. And included a rematch clause. I understand turning down the ESPN deal because Arum is a snake and demanding a multi year contract and like 5 fights and you must fight on ESPN. But if Hearn offered a deal that only requires 1 fight on DAZN and you can shop the Wilder/Joshua fight to FOX PPV and Showtime PPV they should of bit the bullet and make that deal.

That's better then setting Wilder up to fail hard on PPV against Breazale.

Do you really think they would come out and say the PPV did 100K buys? Trust me the real number would either be enhanced to like 300K or not be released.

[Curt Henning]

It's called business. Stop crying.

If ESPN can afford to pay Wilder $15m but Showtime can't then it's not Arums problem.

it is business and nobody is crying...certainly not me

but youre gonna turn around and complain bout this fight being on ppv...if you haven't you will....so I'm just telling you why because I know how thick you uk twats are

and espn cant afford to pay wilder 15 mil for this fight without having fury/wilder 2 attached to it....on its own they cant afford that either....they cant afford to pay fury 15 mil to fight Jennings or pulev......now if they had both of them signed and got 100 percent of the rematch then they could

[bigdunny1]

Do you really think they would come out and say the PPV did 100K buys? Trust me the real number would either be enhanced to like 300K or not be released.

Of course "they" won't the problem is the PPV numbers ALWAYS leak. Somebody else with connections to the Cable and Satellite providers will put out a number. The numbers will be bad and will get out and those numbers will be used against Wilder in any negotiations with Joshua and really used against him in Fury since they will be able to make a direct connection in the numbers.

[Jax teller]

You did not just compare ESPN numbers to SHO numbers did you? And Wilder's name and profile has risen big time since the Fury fight.

If you want to use those numbers, then say Wilder peaked at 3M against Duhaupas. Wilder vs Fury did 325k buys. Crawford vs Postol did like 50k or less. Now, Fury>>Postol, but his fight vs Khan isn't going to do good numbers either. Doubt it gets to the 200k mark. Wilder is quite clearly the biggest name out of the bunch.

How do you know for sure Wilders name has risen big time?

Thats what I said will be interesting and revealed in this fight against Breazeale.

Do you expect him to get more than or near 325k without Fury?

Looks like you may know a bit more about the significance of them viewing figures as you are on the inside but from the outside looking in I wouldn't be surprised if one is better than the other either way especially as Breazeale is pretty much a nobody atleast Khans a name. Also pricing will be big factors here

It's HW/glamour division popularity vs P4P fighter popularity and a much more known opponent than Breazeale.

[KTFOKING]

How do you know for sure Wilders name has risen big time?

Thats what I said will be interesting and revealed in this fight against Breazeale.

Do you expect him to get more than or near 325k without Fury?

Looks like you may know a bit more about the significance of them viewing figures as you are on the inside but from the outside looking in I wouldn't be surprised if one is better than the other either way especially as Breazeale is pretty much a nobody atleast Khans a name. Also pricing will be big factors here

It's HW/glamour division popularity vs P4P fighter popularity and a much more known opponent than Breazeale.

In the inside of what?

Wilder's ratings against Ortiz on SHO were basically what Spence/Garcia do COMBINED. It's not even close that he is a much bigger name than those two. Now, you can say Garcia and Spence are bigger names than Breazeale, but the PPV will be sold to watch Wilder, not necessarily the opponent.

Canelo vs Khan did less than 500k buys but it did good numbers nonetheless. But Khan's been out of the spotlight since that fight and obviously in that fight he got KTFO. I don't think his name carries all that much weight anymore. Crawford did those big ratings because it was a lead in from the Alabama football game. His fight against Indongo did half those numbers. Crawford is a good name, but not on Wilder's level.

Wilder doing those numbers against Fury in his first PPV was impressive regardless. That was on par with the best PPV fighters of this time on their PPV debut. Could be do those numbers against anyone? Of course not. But obviously against Joshua he probably comes close to, or surpasses the 1M mark. And the rematch with Fury would have IMO doubled the PPV buys of the first fight.

[bigdunny1]

Lou DiBella knew, given the relationship between Eddie Hearn and the heavyweight titleholder, that no deal could be completed that way. New multi-fight offer expected to be presented by DAZN in-person next week. DiBella declined comment

— Mike Coppinger (@MikeCoppinger) March 8, 2019

Now Wilder meeting with Skipper. Like I said earlier Wilder needs to jump on this deal. Making less money and having to fight on PPV which will flop and embarrass Wilder makes no sense. DAZN willing to pay more for this fight, it won't be PPV and you have a guarantee to fight Joshua for huge money after it.

[Ray*]

Of course "they" won't the problem is the PPV numbers ALWAYS leak. Somebody else with connections to the Cable and Satellite providers will put out a number. The numbers will be bad and will get out and those numbers will be used against Wilder in any negotiations with Joshua and really used against him in Fury since they will be able to make a direct connection in the numbers.

Usually the leaked numbers are smaller than what the "Official" number would be. Take for example the Wilder/Fury fight (Official numbers 325K) PPV sales. And the leaked numbers were much less than that.

Either way the real numbers comes out during negotiations, this is why some teams are hesitant to sit down and negotiate, because they would have to open the books to reveal the real numbers.

[killakali]

No, Showtime isn't sponsoring this event but Al Haymon and his investors are. Showtime could not afford an eight figure budget on its Showtime Championship Boxing series. That's why he is fighting on Pay Per View.

they are sharing in the cost. Showtime can’t agford to lose wilder. You best believe they are putting up part of the guarantee.

[Ray*]

Lou DiBella knew, given the relationship between Eddie Hearn and the heavyweight titleholder, that no deal could be completed that way. New multi-fight offer expected to be presented by DAZN in-person next week. DiBella declined comment

— Mike Coppinger (@MikeCoppinger) March 8, 2019

Now Wilder meeting with Skipper. Like I said earlier Wilder needs to jump on this deal. Making less money and having to fight on PPV which will flop and embarrass Wilder makes no sense. DAZN willing to pay more for this fight, it won't be PPV and you have a guarantee to fight Joshua for huge money after it.

I think the penny is finally dropping for Team Wilder, they have the best american HW on their hands and they have done a terrible job for him.

[killakali]

The exact opposite is true.

you are wrong. There will be 3 low budget undercard fights created but the guarantee showtime puts up comes out of the budget.

Looks like he’s going to DAZN anyway so that free up some of the budget while causing a major blow to the pbc. Would make it easier for others like Jermall to follow suite.