Comments Thread For: Espinoza Feels Joshua Wants Wilder Fight, Hearn Does Not

[R_Walken]

Mate you are reaching. Fact is Warren and Lou Di Bella confirmed on video that BT sport were involved with the offer to AJ. That alone meant AJ couldn’t and wouldn’t have been able to do that fight.

BT sorts are not going to give them 50M and 30M for them not to have the exclusive rights to that fight. Just like DAZN aren’t going to give Wilder 15m for Whyte/Breazeale/Kownacki for the fight not to be on DAZN!

The moment BT sport became involved that deal died right there, this is why IMHO Team Wilder refuse to meet Team Joshua to discuss the deal.

Wilder came out last week and claim he is a network free boxer but he wouldn’t fight on any other networks even for more money for the same opponents.... Let that sink once you think about that.

How is that reaching

That’s exactly what he said , Warren even said I’m sure Hearn would want the fight on Sky , if you show me Warren or Dibella giving a interview saying the offer if accepted the fight was exclusive to BT and Sky coukdnt and had no chance of getting the fight , I’ll glady shut the f.uck and eat crow , **** send me a interview from either saying the fight was exclusive to BT and Sky couldnt bid I’ll send you $100.00 .

You think if accepted and wrestling the event away from Hearns and having the UK rights they wouldn’t have a bidding war and iuice him for every shekel they can instead just letting Hearn set the price (who’d obviously low ball if no competition) i don’t know what to say . I’m Not British but aren’t all US PPV up for grabs for any platform willing to pay the most why , wouldn’t this work the same way , should Wilders team care if AJ who’d be the b-side now has a exclusive contract if they want it pay the most . They own the rights.


Wilder is a network free agent doesn’t mean he’ll sign a 5 fight deal with no guarantee of a Fury fight in the first 2 fights and have him help Arum
And his platform have a huge chip to compete against Haymons platform. Who would do that. Take a long term deal that hurts his advisers whos responsible for building him up , and compete against Bosnia’s Platform.tyou think that a reasonable business decision. For Wilder or his team to make

I don’t know maybe I’m crazy

He literally posted an extract of a draft Joshua Wilder contract in the same twitter conversation in order to "show that Hearn is a liar" which pretty much destroys your argument straight off the bat.

Besides, sensitive information can easily be redacted. Added to this, Hearn is a party to the contract and he has clearly given Espinoza a green a light to disclose the contract, so no, no one would question Espinoza for sharing the contract...Hearn has clearly waived his right to confidentiality in a public forum.

The result of not sharing the contract is that anyone with their head screwed on is questioning Espinoza's integrity as it seems that he was caught in a blatant lie. If he wants to repair the damage to his reputation he should share the contract which was apparently sent by Wilder.

Espinoza showed 1 bullet point / Big difference then showing a contract

It’s not Hearn he cares about it eveyone he does or will do business with

A executive going at it with a promoter isnt a good look. Espinoza is above Hearn why go to his level to show a contract just to impress the Internet and keep his integrity with them . His reputation is in tact where it matters in the real world where he does business and has one of the most powerful positions in the sport . And everyone knows who’s paid attention know Hearn is full of sh.it

Yes Wilder who has one of the best teams behind top to bottom had no idea Wilder would send a offer sheet . A team thats been involved in the sports biggest fights ever let Wilder write the offer and send it off and in that offer sheet the stipulation said it had to be exclusive on BT which basically means it probably couldn’t be accepted. Wilders team of Haymon , Espinoza, Dibella , Finkel thought the best idea was to send a fake 50 mil offer ( as if they couldnt get that $ together if they wanted) just as a PR stunt . It doesn’t matter that none of them have ever pulled a stunt before to sway the public’s opinion because they only care about business

And let’s believe the word of a promoter who’s changed his story about the offer and everything about the negotiations last year almost every time he does a interview. I mean why wouldn’t say this BT point from the beginning if true. I mean it’s not like he’s pulled these type of stunts before . I guess we should all forget the Hearn/Quigg press conference showing that cheque for the frampton fight. Which wasn’t a genuine effort to make the fight but to sway public opinion Is now above doing something just for show and to sway public opinion

[R_Walken]

totally agree....deep down though i think AJ likes the representation....some guys like to be able to hide behind it.....and when you heard AJ say things like "you go train to fight wilder" and "the fans dont determine my career" it really adds up to him enjoying having a fall guy/mouthpiece

i think hearn and AJ all thought wilder was very overrated(we all know hes not a great boxer...we knew it then and we still know it)...but i think they thought hed fold once he stepped up....they thought ortiz would take care of him and they saw how that went....then they were probably laughing their ass off watching the fury fight until they saw furys head almost go flying into the crowd.....i think theyre even wanting the fight even less now than they were last year after ortiz.....but we shall see how they act after june 1st

I’ll give AJ the benefit that he’s a fighter and a warrior

But like you said he definitely isn’t a boss in fact like you said he probably needs one , and that’s his mistake because Hearn is doing what’s best for Hearn not AJ whether it’s turning down 50m& 30’for a rematch, being put in witness protection after he gave the 50m interview and allow Hearn to ruin his reputation among many fans spewing lies for months , Going to DAzN to help build a unheard of app reducing his profile to essentially non existent in the States , allowing Heaen to sabotage the biggest HW fight in decades to happen. All of this is to Hearns benefit not AJs
But you can’t blame anyone but AJ

in interviews I’ve watched of AJ I have no doubt he wants to fight Wilder, but he admits to allowing Hearn do the negotiations so really he just takes Hearns word for what’s going on , Which is the problem If AJ wants the fight but Hearn doesn’t it’s Hearn who controls the outcome of it happening or not because he can just report back. And be like they don’t want it and AJ thinks that’s the case

I think the thing is with AJ if hes not following the script written out for him , he has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth and it happens all the time and it makes him look bad

The you go fight him
Fans don’t determine my career
Maybe I’ll fight him in 2020 “ not good qoutes


In the interview Saying I’ll take 50m right now and sign, them Wilders team pulling his card , which made Hearn go into panic because there’s no way he would give up rights to that fight probably convinced AJ to go in hiding and allow him to control the PR massively backfired

But yeah I agree they probably didn’t think much of Wilder but he keeps proving them wrong and likeyou said I bet when Hearn saw that KD in the 12th he probably sh.it his pants and decided to delay the fignt even further then the original plan

Sorry for the novel

[travestyny]

Of course. It's Pacquiao vs. Mayweather again, with Hearn starring as Bob Arum.

[Ray*]

How is that reaching

That’s exactly what he said , Warren even said I’m sure Hearn would want the fight on Sky , if you show me Warren or Dibella giving a interview saying the offer if accepted the fight was exclusive to BT and Sky coukdnt and had no chance of getting the fight , I’ll glady shut the f.uck and eat crow , **** send me a interview from either saying the fight was exclusive to BT and Sky couldnt bid I’ll send you $100.00 .

You think if accepted and wrestling the event away from Hearns and having the UK rights they wouldn’t have a bidding war and iuice him for every shekel they can instead just letting Hearn set the price (who’d obviously low ball if no competition) i don’t know what to say . I’m Not British but aren’t all US PPV up for grabs for any platform willing to pay the most why , wouldn’t this work the same way , should Wilders team care if AJ who’d be the b-side now has a exclusive contract if they want it pay the most . They own the rights.


Wilder is a network free agent doesn’t mean he’ll sign a 5 fight deal with no guarantee of a Fury fight in the first 2 fights and have him help Arum
And his platform have a huge chip to compete against Haymons platform. Who would do that. Take a long term deal that hurts his advisers whos responsible for building him up , and compete against Bosnia’s Platform.tyou think that a reasonable business decision. For Wilder or his team to make

I don’t know maybe I’m crazy.

Again you are reaching. Now you want exact wording even though at first you claimed Warren and Lou never said that..There is NO way a network is going to put money down for a fighter who isn’t signed to them for that fighter to go on and fight on another network.... It’s not only common sense... it’s business sense.

Again reaching point. Who said Wilder has to sign a 5 fight deal? Why do some of you guys play dumb? I really don’t get it.

Everyone and their mother backed Wilder NOT signing any deal with any networks that ties him up, so why pretend as if we all want him to?

He’s been offered his next fight on DAZN for 15m and those two fights with AJ... Without having to sign to the network. So you can pretend and bring Arum’s dumb 5 fights deal up all you want, but that’s not am referring to here with the promotional/network free Wilder.

Some of you guys really shock me with how much you would go to back and defend everything Wilder.

[DaNeutral.]

Of course. It's Pacquiao vs. Mayweather again, with Hearn starring as Bob Arum.

And what is it that you know about from Hearns latest offer that you dont like?

[champion4ever]

Don't delude yourself Espinoza. Every platform is covetous of a world heavyweight champion fighting and competing on their television network or online streaming service.

There's nothing more valuable than having an important piece of the heavyweight crown featured on your platform like a Deontay Wilder.

That's why ESPN is offering him a 5 fight deal while DAZN is offering him a 2 fight deal; Including an undisputed heavyweight championship bout with Anthony Joshua which could net him close to $50mil combined for both fights.

[Redgloveman]

Espinoza showed 1 bullet point / Big difference then showing a contract

It’s not Hearn he cares about it eveyone he does or will do business with

A executive going at it with a promoter isnt a good look. Espinoza is above Hearn why go to his level to show a contract just to impress the Internet and keep his integrity with them . His reputation is in tact where it matters in the real world where he does business and has one of the most powerful positions in the sport . And everyone knows who’s paid attention know Hearn is full of sh.it

Yes Wilder who has one of the best teams behind top to bottom had no idea Wilder would send a offer sheet . A team thats been involved in the sports biggest fights ever let Wilder write the offer and send it off and in that offer sheet the stipulation said it had to be exclusive on BT which basically means it probably couldn’t be accepted. Wilders team of Haymon , Espinoza, Dibella , Finkel thought the best idea was to send a fake 50 mil offer ( as if they couldnt get that $ together if they wanted) just as a PR stunt . It doesn’t matter that none of them have ever pulled a stunt before to sway the public’s opinion because they only care about business

And let’s believe the word of a promoter who’s changed his story about the offer and everything about the negotiations last year almost every time he does a interview. I mean why wouldn’t say this BT point from the beginning if true. I mean it’s not like he’s pulled these type of stunts before . I guess we should all forget the Hearn/Quigg press conference showing that cheque for the frampton fight. Which wasn’t a genuine effort to make the fight but to sway public opinion Is now above doing something just for show and to sway public opinion

Why exactly is that a big difference? Showing any amount of the contract already breaches the good-faith nature of business dealings. He already used one contract to undermine Hearn's character in public, why shouldn't he produce another contract (or part of one) to defend his own reputation and further undermine Hearn's?

He can't now get on his high horse and refuse to provide evidence for his claims because it wouldn't be professional; he already went there first time round.

You're also missing the point about Hearn waiving his right to confidentiality. I don't expect Espinoza to care about Hearn, but you said that Espinoza would look bad and unprofessional showing the contract (despite already sharing details of a previous contract). The fact is, no one would question Espinoza for showing the contract if Hearn explicitly asks him to because Hearn is the other party to that contract. Surely that makes sense to you?

At the moment he is in a far worse spot by not showing the contract because it looks like he's been telling outright lies. Hearn has accused him of telling "Stone cold lies". That's a pretty serious accusation and makes Espinoza look untrustworthy and a snake. He could easily defend himself by producing the contract but he hasn't done so.

Are you saying that you believe Espinoza that a contract was sent but he just doesn't want to send it in case he looks bad? He looks bad right now until he proves that he wasn't lying.

It would also be incredibly dumb of Eddie Hearn to say "stone cold lies" and "show us the contract" if he had received one because he has no control over whether Espinoza does or not. If Espinoza had sent that contract and proved it then Hearn would have serious egg on his face right about now. On balance it seems pretty obvious that a contract wasn't sent unless you're a fangirl who isn't able to apply common sense and rational judgement.

What's more when you say
"His reputation is in tact where it matters in the real world where he does business and has one of the most powerful positions in the sport"

You don't think an executive's relationship with the public is important? Because, seriously, it is. Elon Musk smoked a joint on Joe Rogan and wiped millions of dollars off his company's stock price. That's one of countless examples of public perception of executives being incredibly important and valuable. Espinoza can't just lie to the public and then say "who cares" because he'll damage the reputation of his company by doing so, potentially leading to his demotion or dismissal

[travestyny]

And what is it that you know about from Hearns latest offer that you dont like?

I stopped paying attention to this when it was obvious that Hearns didn't want the fight taking place during the first negotiation.

Again, it's Bob Arum all over again.

[DaNeutral.]

I stopped paying attention to this when it was obvious that Hearns didn't want the fight taking place during the first negotiation.

Again, it's Bob Arum all over again.

Yep, we get another Wilder fan answer. If you stopped paying attention at some point you shouldnt bother to have any views on the subject from that moment in time.

You Wilder goons "Stopped paying attention" as soon as the offers got too good to start calling crack money or unfair. Now you are ****ed for moaning at the contracts all you do is keep talking about last years offers.

You got NOTHING. If your hero Wilder is a chicken and would rather duck Joshua then fair enough. And if you "stopped paying attention" then you dont want it either. Wilder and his fans are ALL ducking the offers.

[travestyny]

Yep, we get another Wilder fan answer. If you stopped paying attention at some point you shouldnt bother to have any views on the subject from that moment in time.

You're free to let me know what I missed. Did Hearn make offers while AJ is set to fight Miller, or is this about when Hearns made offers when Wilder was set to fight Fury? Yawnnnn.

You Wilder goons "Stopped paying attention" as soon as the offers got too good to start calling crack money or unfair. Now you are ****ed for moaning at the contracts all you do is keep talking about last years offers.

You got NOTHING. If your hero Wilder is a chicken and would rather duck Joshua then fair enough. And if you "stopped paying attention" then you dont want it either. Wilder and his fans are ALL ducking the offers.

You're really hurt by all of this, aren't you? You seem to be the only one who has some kinda hero crush on anyone here. What offer are you talking about and when was the offer made. I'm willing to listen.