Comments Thread For: Espinoza Feels Joshua Wants Wilder Fight, Hearn Does Not

[Sid-Knee]

250k PPV buys gets you $10m, a great live event gets you a number, and it's still not clear what the ITV money looks like.

Wilder is basically well above that mark for viable fights (Joshua, Fury and Ortiz rematches), and likely viable on PPV as Wilder-TBA from the fight after that on.

Once you're breaking even on PPV, it's basically a $15m pot being divvied up.

In case you didn't know

There's a reason Showtime haven't confirmed those numbers. It's because they did badly. All you have is delusional lies made up by crazy people with an agenda. It's the same reason Warren didn't reveal the BT numbers too. Because it brutally flopped. But please enjoy your house of lies, corruption and delusion.

[Curt Henning]

I’ll give AJ the benefit that he’s a fighter and a warrior

But like you said he definitely isn’t a boss in fact like you said he probably needs one , and that’s his mistake because Hearn is doing what’s best for Hearn not AJ whether it’s turning down 50m& 30’for a rematch, being put in witness protection after he gave the 50m interview and allow Hearn to ruin his reputation among many fans spewing lies for months , Going to DAzN to help build a unheard of app reducing his profile to essentially non existent in the States , allowing Heaen to sabotage the biggest HW fight in decades to happen. All of this is to Hearns benefit not AJs
But you can’t blame anyone but AJ

in interviews I’ve watched of AJ I have no doubt he wants to fight Wilder, but he admits to allowing Hearn do the negotiations so really he just takes Hearns word for what’s going on , Which is the problem If AJ wants the fight but Hearn doesn’t it’s Hearn who controls the outcome of it happening or not because he can just report back. And be like they don’t want it and AJ thinks that’s the case

I think the thing is with AJ if hes not following the script written out for him , he has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth and it happens all the time and it makes him look bad

The you go fight him
Fans don’t determine my career
Maybe I’ll fight him in 2020 “ not good qoutes


In the interview Saying I’ll take 50m right now and sign, them Wilders team pulling his card , which made Hearn go into panic because there’s no way he would give up rights to that fight probably convinced AJ to go in hiding and allow him to control the PR massively backfired

But yeah I agree they probably didn’t think much of Wilder but he keeps proving them wrong and likeyou said I bet when Hearn saw that KD in the 12th he probably sh.it his pants and decided to delay the fignt even further then the original plan

Sorry for the novel

people underestimate that kd

not for what it was and how fury got up from it...

but what it says to every HW even fury....i mean hearn and AJ have to be looking at it like "omg look at this...we can UD this guy easy...he boxes for sheet...hes sheet...hes nothing....fury is embarrassing him lol.....look at ......holy ****kkk..jesus"...i mean thats exactly what fury is looking at...even when hes rewatching it....every HW is looking at it like "ive got to be perfect for 36"...not easy

[R_Walken]

Again you are reaching. Now you want exact wording even though at first you claimed Warren and Lou never said that..There is NO way a network is going to put money down for a fighter who isn’t signed to them for that fighter to go on and fight on another network.... It’s not only common sense... it’s business sense.

Again reaching point. Who said Wilder has to sign a 5 fight deal? Why do some of you guys play dumb? I really don’t get it.

Everyone and their mother backed Wilder NOT signing any deal with any networks that ties him up, so why pretend as if we all want him to?

He’s been offered his next fight on DAZN for 15m and those two fights with AJ... Without having to sign to the network. So you can pretend and bring Arum’s dumb 5 fights deal up all you want, but that’s not am referring to here with the promotional/network free Wilder.

Some of you guys really shock me with how much you would go to back and defend everything Wilder.

It’s not reaching to accept a plausible explanation. It’s reaching to stick to your guns and believe that Warren /Dibella would openly admit to a negotiation tactic that makes Wilders offer instantly invalid. My offer still stands to anyone I’ll give them $100.00 if they can provide a interview that has Warren/Dibella/Finkel stating that the offer that was made gave exclusive UK rights to BT and Sky had no chance of broadcasting the fight

It makes no sense that the most powerful men in the sport would do this ,act like They don’t know how to make a fight and if they didn’t want to make it , would make public statements out the gate that are so easy to prove this point . I mean it’s not like Wilders team consists of men that went to Harvard , The most powerful advisor , ;promoter who was in charge of HBO boxing when they were a juggernaut, A manager who’s been in the game decades with a whos who of clients he represented; The head of one the Leading Boxing platforms all of whom have put on the sports biggest fights ever made . Wouldn’t know or are to dumb to dictate the PR battle if they wanted to hide that they didn’t want to make a fight they’ve publicly made a offer for.

Yet you’re shocked that I’d defend them and believe a known liar in Hearn ,

Please give a reason that if he actually wanted to make the fight like he claims . wouldn’t budge from a flat fee offer in the summer when everyone in the sport has said that not a fair offer and somehow when Wikder was in the middle of negotiating another fight now he decides that he’s willing to offer a % even though he knows it won’t be considered . What changed besides last summer he could have made the fight in the summer with that offer he gave when Wilder was negotiating for another fight.

Who wouldn’t have doubts about the legitimacy of a offer that was offered through the
Media has 1 intern fight that’d lose Hearn/ Dazn millions of dollars and which could make the AJ/Wikder fignt a possible 18 months away.

I’m amazed you can’t see all of this and still believe in Hearns narrative . it’s clear you aren’t dumb as a sack of rocks but still hold on to something that goes against reality.

Why exactly is that a big difference? Showing any amount of the contract already breaches the good-faith nature of business dealings. He already used one contract to undermine Hearn's character in public, why shouldn't he produce another contract (or part of one) to defend his own reputation and further undermine Hearn's?

He can't now get on his high horse and refuse to provide evidence for his claims because it wouldn't be professional; he already went there first time round.

You're also missing the point about Hearn waiving his right to confidentiality. I don't expect Espinoza to care about Hearn, but you said that Espinoza would look bad and unprofessional showing the contract (despite already sharing details of a previous contract). The fact is, no one would question Espinoza for showing the contract if Hearn explicitly asks him to because Hearn is the other party to that contract. Surely that makes sense to you?

At the moment he is in a far worse spot by not showing the contract because it looks like he's been telling outright lies. Hearn has accused him of telling "Stone cold lies". That's a pretty serious accusation and makes Espinoza look untrustworthy and a snake. He could easily defend himself by producing the contract but he hasn't done so.

Are you saying that you believe Espinoza that a contract was sent but he just doesn't want to send it in case he looks bad? He looks bad right now until he proves that he wasn't lying.

It would also be incredibly dumb of Eddie Hearn to say "stone cold lies" and "show us the contract" if he had received one because he has no control over whether Espinoza does or not. If Espinoza had sent that contract and proved it then Hearn would have serious egg on his face right about now. On balance it seems pretty obvious that a contract wasn't sent unless you're a fangirl who isn't able to apply common sense and rational judgement.

What's more when you say
"His reputation is in tact where it matters in the real world where he does business and has one of the most powerful positions in the sport"

You don't think an executive's relationship with the public is important? Because, seriously, it is. Elon Musk smoked a joint on Joe Rogan and wiped millions of dollars off his company's stock price. That's one of countless examples of public perception of executives being incredibly important and valuable. Espinoza can't just lie to the public and then say "who cares" because he'll damage the reputation of his company by doing so, potentially leading to his demotion or dismissal

To me a fan girl / fanboy in boxing is a person who believes everything positive about their favourite fighter and doesnt try and be unbiased and actually think on their own or try and disprove anything when theres something negative a about them m

This sums up almost every hardcore AJ fan on here , they’ve never tried to defend their Hero with facts just use Hearn talking points or say Wikder fans are dumb : that’s a fan girl

Espinoza pulling Hearns card in a Twitter war proving Hearns a known liar which is obvious doesn’t do anything except pleasinf
a couple Internet lames doesn’t matter. And let’s be real most wouldn’t change their opinion anyways because for some odd reason they love Hearn like he’s their father .

Him winning a Twitter war with Hearn doesn’t get him more respect among the people he does business with especially if he has to air out contracts to do it.

Keep believing that there was no proper offer sent and Wikder and his team who’ve made all the biggest fights and who’s combined resumes in the sport are untouchable decided the best way for the biggest HW in decades to get done is have
Wilder send a offer through his email with writing something like AJ I got 50 mil guaranteed for you but the fight has to be on BT you have 24 hrs to accept is the way they’d do it

Haymon never giving interviews he is definitely concerned or gives 2nf.ucks about public perception as with everyone in Wilders team

Keep doing you

people underestimate that kd

not for what it was and how fury got up from it...

but what it says to every HW even fury....i mean hearn and AJ have to be looking at it like "omg look at this...we can UD this guy easy...he boxes for sheet...hes sheet...hes nothing....fury is embarrassing him lol.....look at ......holy ****kkk..jesus"...i mean thats exactly what fury is looking at...even when hes rewatching it....every HW is looking at it like "ive got to be perfect for 36"...not easy

Agreed with almost everything wrote , Fury has:had the best chance IMO of a HW not getting caught by Wilder for a full 12 rounds but he did and it seems that the KD took Fury’s confidence and soul away .

Hearn realizes that Wikder power to potentially kill Hearns golden goose by him not just taking a L but having his goose being slaughtered in front
Of the World makes Hearn not want
The fight

[Scipio2009]

fight is not till 1st of june so still 12 weeks togo and if we talk about ticket sales wilder fury were giving tickets away so don't even go there.
Who is wilder going to fight on ppv ? Ortiz looked shot last night ? Wilder will not fight fury on espn because of finkle and showtime.
Yiu have this illusion that wilder will somehow elevate himself to a ppv fighter with the likes of ortiz and joyce.
Wilde has zero options to make big money without wider and fury.

Anthony Joshua is this epic superstar, right? Selling out 80000 tickets within hours, remember?

MSG is 21000 seats, and the pricing is aggressive, but the ticket map on the official MSG site makes it pretty clear that maybe 4000-5000 tickets have been sold so far, and that's counting the tickets that folks are reselling on Ticketmaster.

Wilder-Fury sold over 14500 tickets for their fight in (Wikipedia states that 17700 were physically in the building for the fight). I wonder how many tickets Hearn is going to have to give away, lol (near all the money on this fight is coming from DAZN anyway).

I said what I said; Wilder will fight Breazeale in May and then have a PPV fight in the second half of the year. It'll be Joshua, Ortiz, or Ortiz-Whyte.

Once Wilder strings together a couple profitable PPVs, he's a PPV fighter (no broadcaster, outside of DAZN, is going to front $10m on a fight).

250k is breakeven, and Wilder's profile is already beyond that (that should be confirmed with the second PPV).

The Deontay Wilder Show (Wilder-TBA) is more popular than you seem to acknowledge.

[Scipio2009]

Cool thanks but Warren didn’t say it had to be on BT he said if the offer was taken Wilder team has the UK rights and sell them to the highest bidder . So BT would try and get then fight that’s force sky to exceed Bts offer. He never said it’s going on BT .

If Wilders team have the rights why would they just give them to Sky wirhout having other platforms bidding to raise the price for the rights.


If Sky knows its offered to just them they could offer whatever they want and short change Wilders side

^^^this

Joshua gets his $50m, but Wilder's camp still need to move the parts of the event to realize the $100m that they think the fight is worth.

If the full market value goes against a separate agreement that Joshua has, he can buy that part of the deal out of his guarantee.

Sky Sports is willing to pay $20m for the UK rights, BT Sport is willing to pay $24m for the UK rights, Haymon/Finkell give Joshua the UK rights for $22m of his guarantee, and he takes a small hit.

Do the same thing for every part of the deal that could be in conflict (French TV, German TV, ticket sponsor, etc).

Joshua ends up with assets and money that come to the $50m that he agreed to, and the 50/50 back-end number gets reduced by whatever the rights no longer in the common pot are worth.

[Scipio2009]

Hahahaha Wilder is nowhere near to Floyd in terms of value. Only someone detached from reality would even think such madness. Floyd actually had to fight and beat top fighters. Wilder is a bum who was getting beaten clearly by an old unproven Ortiz until he gassed out. It wasn't Wilder's capabilities that got him the win later in the fight, in was in fact Ortiz's lack of ability that did.

Wilder the coward thought he was on to a winner by getting Fury whilst he was fat and looked shot. But a 50% version of Fury was still too good for the bum.

They are the only names worth talking about. Wilder fought a career of bums but still struggled with some of them because he's a fraudulent joke with no skill. To say he's close is you being completely without logic or reality. But I can see why you're a fan of the most grotesquely deluded fighter the world of boxing has ever known, because you're as crazy and delusional as he is. You're ****ing nuts.

AJ is fighting in the US next to expand in another market. He's getting the biggest payday of his career. Let that sink in. Wilder won't ever come close to doing what AJ is doing. All Wilder and his bitter loony fans can do is watch reality and truth unfold whilst deluding yourselves otherwise by showing the world just how ****ing scary you weirdos really are. So enjoy your alternative reality because you're too scared to come back down to earth.

250k is breakeven on PPV, and Wilder's debut PPV was already 30% above that, lol.

[Ray*]

It’s not reaching to accept a plausible explanation. It’s reaching to stick to your guns and believe that Warren /Dibella would openly admit to a negotiation tactic that makes Wilders offer instantly invalid. My offer still stands to anyone I’ll give them $100.00 if they can provide a interview that has Warren/Dibella/Finkel stating that the offer that was made gave exclusive UK rights to BT and Sky had no chance of broadcasting the fight

It makes no sense that the most powerful men in the sport would do this ,act like They don’t know how to make a fight and if they didn’t want to make it , would make public statements out the gate that are so easy to prove this point . I mean it’s not like Wilders team consists of men that went to Harvard , The most powerful advisor , ;promoter who was in charge of HBO boxing when they were a juggernaut, A manager who’s been in the game decades with a whos who of clients he represented; The head of one the Leading Boxing platforms all of whom have put on the sports biggest fights ever made . Wouldn’t know or are to dumb to dictate the PR battle if they wanted to hide that they didn’t want to make a fight they’ve publicly made a offer for.

Yet you’re shocked that I’d defend them and believe a known liar in Hearn ,

Please give a reason that if he actually wanted to make the fight like he claims . wouldn’t budge from a flat fee offer in the summer when everyone in the sport has said that not a fair offer and somehow when Wikder was in the middle of negotiating another fight now he decides that he’s willing to offer a % even though he knows it won’t be considered . What changed besides last summer he could have made the fight in the summer with that offer he gave when Wilder was negotiating for another fight.

Who wouldn’t have doubts about the legitimacy of a offer that was offered through the
Media has 1 intern fight that’d lose Hearn/ Dazn millions of dollars and which could make the AJ/Wikder fignt a possible 18 months away.

I’m amazed you can’t see all of this and still believe in Hearns narrative . it’s clear you aren’t dumb as a sack of rocks but still hold on to something that goes against reality.

Firstly you trying to spin BS... Show me which Hearn "Narrative" am believing...

Am talking from a common sense of view, show me that narrative, it seems when someone call some of you out and show you thing you all resort to "Yea men they believe hearn" blah blah blah..........Fuck hearn

I have shown you what you denied, a video of Warren saying BT sport were involve in the 50m deal and there is Lou on video who said the same thing.

So show me where Hearn "Narratives" come into that!

Again, there is NO WAY Joshua could have made that fight once BT sport got involved...nada..

And i gave you Wilder as an example, he claimed he is a network free boxer but he would NOT fight on another network, it doesnt matter what deal they worked out for him, he would NOT fight on another network.

So again show me where those "Hearn narratives" comes in. No network is going to give your fighter 50m for that fight to be shown on your network or shared by them and the fighters network.

He was signed "Exclusively" to sky sports....It meant ZERO negotiation...Fury is signed "Exclusively" to ESPN...meaning ZERO negotiation with showtime or HBO or DAZN or whatever networks.


>>>>>>>But Hearn narrative doe>>>>>>>>

Which narrative are you pushing? The Finkel "Bt sports 50m" one? Some of you guys are either thick or just plain stans..

[R_Walken]

^^^this

Joshua gets his $50m, but Wilder's camp still need to move the parts of the event to realize the $100m that they think the fight is worth.

If the full market value goes against a separate agreement that Joshua has, he can buy that part of the deal out of his guarantee.

Sky Sports is willing to pay $20m for the UK rights, BT Sport is willing to pay $24m for the UK rights, Haymon/Finkell give Joshua the UK rights for $22m of his guarantee, and he takes a small hit.

Do the same thing for every part of the deal that could be in conflict (French TV, German TV, ticket sponsor, etc).

Joshua ends up with assets and money that come to the $50m that he agreed to, and the 50/50 back-end number gets reduced by whatever the rights no longer in the common pot are worth.

Yeah , obviously no ones job is negotiating fights

But to believe the team who have more accomplishments combined then probably any other team would publicly present a offer knowing that it’s invalid from the jump is possibly one of the most ******ed things to believe

Firstly you trying to spin BS... Show me which Hearn "Narrative" am believing...

Am talking from a common sense of view, show me that narrative, it seems when someone call some of you out and show you thing you all resort to "Yea men they believe hearn" blah blah blah..........Fuck hearn

I have shown you what you denied, a video of Warren saying BT sport were involve in the 50m deal and there is Lou on video who said the same thing.

So show me where Hearn "Narratives" come into that!

Again, there is NO WAY Joshua could have made that fight once BT sport got involved...nada..

And i gave you Wilder as an example, he claimed he is a network free boxer but he would NOT fight on another network, it doesnt matter what deal they worked out for him, he would NOT fight on another network.

So again show me where those "Hearn narratives" comes in. No network is going to give your fighter 50m for that fight to be shown on your network or shared by them and the fighters network.

He was signed "Exclusively" to sky sports....It meant ZERO negotiation...Fury is signed "Exclusively" to ESPN...meaning ZERO negotiation with showtime or HBO or DAZN or whatever networks.


>>>>>>>But Hearn narrative doe>>>>>>>>

Which narrative are you pushing? The Finkel "Bt sports 50m" one? Some of you guys are either thick or just plain stans..

No narrative just common sense

Your video proves nothing not already known and doesn’t say the offer made the fight exclusive to BT again show a interview stating this and I’ll give you $100.00

Yes I doubt that the guy whos proven he doesn’t want to make the fight like he claims with his non stop lies shouldn’t be believed

Just because Wilder is a free agent doesnt mean he takes offers that would go against and hurt the team and platform that’s been loyal to him / Probably a very hard concept to understand and accept I know

AGAIN Please answer this one question with a reasonable explanation

when the fight was possible to make in the summer Hearn wouldn’t budge from a flat fee knowing this tactic wouldn’t make the
Fight. But 8 months months later when Wikder was negotiating another fight knowing a offer wouldn’t be looked at he now offers a %. Why wouldn’t he offer a % when the fight could be made
If he wanted the fight

My bad Ray , I actually thought you weren't just another mindless minion but its clear you are who won’t look at reality

It’s clear we won’t change each other’s mind so let’s stop with the back and forth it’s just a waste of both our time

it’s all good man

[Ray*]

No narrative just common sense

Your video proves nothing not already known and doesn’t say the offer made the fight exclusive to BT

Great if it's common sense, then you would know a fighter, cannot fight on another network, when he already has an exclusive deal with another.

The video proves BT sport were involve getting the 50M for Team Wilder, hence making it unacceptable since sky has exclusive rights to AJ fights....Its NON-NEGOTIABLE...No ifs or buts.

Common sense says we give you the money then the fight is on our network, non-common sense is what you are talking about.

[The plunger man]

Anthony Joshua is this epic superstar, right? Selling out 80000 tickets within hours, remember?

MSG is 21000 seats, and the pricing is aggressive, but the ticket map on the official MSG site makes it pretty clear that maybe 4000-5000 tickets have been sold so far, and that's counting the tickets that folks are reselling on Ticketmaster.

Wilder-Fury sold over 14500 tickets for their fight in (Wikipedia states that 17700 were physically in the building for the fight). I wonder how many tickets Hearn is going to have to give away, lol (near all the money on this fight is coming from DAZN anyway).

I said what I said; Wilder will fight Breazeale in May and then have a PPV fight in the second half of the year. It'll be Joshua, Ortiz, or Ortiz-Whyte.

Once Wilder strings together a couple profitable PPVs, he's a PPV fighter (no broadcaster, outside of DAZN, is going to front $10m on a fight).

250k is breakeven, and Wilder's profile is already beyond that (that should be confirmed with the second PPV).

The Deontay Wilder Show (Wilder-TBA) is more popular than you seem to acknowledge.

if he fights Joshua in his 2nd fight on ppv he gets wiped of the heavyweight map lol.
You ready to bet on that as well dosser ?
You also wanna bet that msg is sold out for the Joshua vs miller fight ? dosser ?